I grew up in the 90s and I remember being able to truncate the year down to just 2 numbers when talking about years within the current millennium. It seems like we’re still saying twenty before every year and I’m just wondering when that will change.

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    9 days ago

    ISO8601 / RFC3339 gang represent. You’ll have to take four digit years from my cold, dead hands.

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      Nah, I couldn’t even bring myself to say “twenty” something until 2013. Before that it was all like “two thousand and five”.

      Still saying the twenty part. Not sure when that can fall away. Since I was around for the nineteens, maybe I’ll never stop.

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      9 days ago

      Time to ruin your day. They’ve been calling that time period the “aughties”.

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      Most English-spealking people outside the US said ‘aught’ instead of ‘oh’, but definitely about 2005 the ‘two thousand and’ syntax evaporated.

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        9 days ago

        I think Australian’s usually say “oh”. Signed an Aussie that’s spent enough time abroad to confuse himself on what they actually say

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    9 days ago

    You can totally start now. Although, and maybe this is just a me thing, I’d feel like a massive bellend if I referred to something that happened in, for instance, 2021 as “in '21”.

    I think I’d feel okay with “'01”, through to “'09”, then the teens feel weird again but only because it just feels weird to refer to a year as small as like… “'13”… although I don’t have that same problem with the naughties, maybe that’s because of the added “oh” making it seem like more than just a number? And then the twenties feel like big enough numbers to abbreviate but, yeah, again, I’d feel like a tool.

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    9 days ago

    In the English-speaking world, you can always shorten the year from 4 to 2 digits. But whether: 1) this causes confusion or 2) do you/anyone care if it does, are the points of contention. The first is context-dependent: if a customer service agent over the phone is trying to confirm your date of birth, there’s no real security issue if you only say the 2 digit year, because other info would have to match as well.

    If instead you are presenting ID as proof of age to buy alcohol, there’s a massive difference between 2010 and 1910. An ID card and equivalent documentation must use a four digit year, when there is no other available indicator of the century.

    For casual use, like signing your name and date on a holiday card, the ambiguity of the century is basically negligible, since a card like that is enjoyed at the time that it’s read, and isn’t typically stashed away as a 100-year old memento.

    That said, I personally find that in spoken and written English, the inconvenience of the 4 digit year is outweighed by the benefit of properly communicating with non-American English users. This is because us American speak and write the date in a non-intuitive fashion, which is an avoidable point of confusion.

    Typical Americans might write “7/1/25” and say “July first, twenty five”. British folks might read that as 7 January, or (incorrectly) 25 January 2007. But then for the special holiday of “7/4/25”, Americans optionally might say “fourth of July, twenty five”. This is slightly less confusing, but a plausible mishearing by the British over a scratchy long-distance telephone call would be “before July 25”, which is just wrong.

    The confusion is minimized by a full 4 digit year, which would leave only the whole day/month ordering as ambiguous. That is, “7/1/2025” or “1/7/2025”.

    Though I personally prefer RFC3339 dates, which are strictly YYYY-mm-dd, using 4 digit years, 2 digit months, and 2 digit days. This is always unambiguous, and I sign all paperwork like this, unless it explicitly wants a specific format for the date.

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    9 days ago

    Considering my kids already refer to pre millennial days as the ancient 19’s, you can already do it with the younger crowd.

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    Depends on the language honestly. In my native language (that’s not English) it sounds somewhat clumsy with the zero in front, but it’s still sometimes used. Depending on the context it might be a simple number (zero two) or it might be an ordinal (zero second). From 2010 and on it’s been easier because you just say the equivalent of “tenth”, “eleventh” and so on.

    In writing it also depends on the context - if it’s something ambiguous (that could be 1925 or 2025), then sure, write the full year, otherwise two digits are fine.

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    I belive that change will come when both of us are dead. To me the 20s still mean 1920.