Google isn’t what it used to be, but the free alternatives like DuckDuckGo aren’t really that great. Given how vital a good search engine has been to make any use of the internet since the late 90s, I think it’s not unreasonable to offer quality search at a reasonable price.
I’m not aware of any paid-for search engines, and I’m not sure what they could charge for without seeming greedy. Perhaps have a free tier that limits you to so many searches per day and a paid tier with unlimited searches and another with API access or something. The key would be to have a good-better-best system that makes everyone feel they’re getting a reasonable product for what they’re paying while keeping the experience serviceable for free riders.
Email is similar. While it’s not too hard to set up a bare SMTP server, a bare SMTP server will get you absolutely nowhere because every reputable email service will flag it as spam. The hard part is making the server pass all the sniff tests that other services use. You also cannot self-host because residential ISPs block port 25, again as a spam prevention mechanism.
I pay for Proton, not because I trust them per se, indeed the more a company trumpets about how secure and anonymous they are the more suspicious I get. But I trust them more than I trust Google and that’s what matters.
I pay for Kagi Search, it’s awesome. It’s got a ton of useful features you’d never see in advertising-based search engines, like the ability to up and down rank sites.
Yes. I pay for Proton for mail and Kagi for search.
Kagi and Tuta. OP is drunk.
Free proton for email, paid Kagi for search.
What do you mean “if”? At this point anything works better than google. Specially those that cost money.
Fastmail is so insanely good it’s crazy how bad Gmail got
I pay for proton to get both email and VPN. Search really doesn’t matter that much to me anymore. I’ve learned to just live with the annoying aspects of duck duck go, and I use it infrequently enough that i don’t think I’d ever be willing to pay for it.
For search engine: I’m self hosting SearXNG so I’m already indirectly paying via domain registry/VPS? So yes. Technically this can be done for free though (local docker, random RasPi laying around, …)
For email: paid (mailbox.org), worth it. Selfhosting email was too much of a headache at least for me
I pay for proton mail, but selfhost my own meta-search engine. Its not as pure as as one that crawls the web on its own, but the ones that do aren’t developed enough for everyday use in my opinion.
No
I pay for email. Proton Unlimited atm which includes email, cloud, vpn, password and email aliases. They offer more but that’s all I use. Their Linux support is crap so I may move to other services.
For search, I using Startpage. Seems to give me the results I want. Once in a while I change to Brave, Qwant, or DDG.
The fuck do you get for paid email? It’s literally just SMTP/POP — where’s the “value add”? I use my own email client so the bullshit ads from Google aren’t an issue, but am I missing out on some email 2.0 magic??
Like I said in the OP, you can set up an SMTP server pretty easily with basic technical knowledge but all those folks saying spinning up your own email is easy never tell you that having USABLE email is a lot more than a bare SMTP server. And again, you can’t self host on most residential ISPs so you have to add getting a VPS up and running and secure.
I use Purelymail for Email, just because it was the cheapest and easiest solution to use my own domain without having to host anything myself. I don’t think any other Email service will beat their 10$ per year price.
For search engine, I have tried Kagi but just didn’t see the point. My DDG searches are perfectly fine and I still find everything I need with relative ease. Although I’ve been actually needing the search engine much less recently as I’ve embraced just reading the official documentation for things I program with haha
My dream IEP would provide secure search, email, calendar, office suite and cloud services. I would pay just one provider for all services combined. I would gladly double my monthly subscription for such a service, with 2 accounts at 50go each
£12-ish a year on mailbox.org
I made the switch about 6 months ago and I’m very happy with them
