• Buddahriffic@lemmy.world
    12·
    10 days ago

    That’s why I find the idea of heaven to be self-contradictory.

    One person’s idea of heaven might be one where they don’t need to worry about others wanting sex with them. Another’s might be one where everyone is happy to have sex with them. And another might be most happy in a monogamous relationship where they are with their partner and no one else is even interested in their partner. (Also what about widows and widowers who remarry?)

    Or hell, a simpler example: three people, one of which considers the other two their very best friends while the other two only like that one and would rather not spend time with each other.

    So unless there’s a new version of heaven for each set of desires (maybe even with a version of you that is happy there, to make those who want to be with you in that heaven happy), the whole thing will be great for some but probably miserable for many more (because you can’t please everyone), which defeats the entire premise of paradise for everyone.

    Not that this disproves anything, for all I know the many versions one might be the case or maybe heaven exists but is only fun for some people (which honestly is consistent with how religion generally works on earth anyways).

    Edit: fixed a word, plus added the bit about widows.

    • 🍉 Albert 🍉@lemmy.world
      3·
      10 days ago

      there’s the story about dog heaven being squirrel hell.

      the real hell is wherever people who gotta deal with those logistics go

    • Devjavu@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      3·
      10 days ago

      While I don’t believe in it’s literal existence, I do not find it to be contradictory. Sure, we like different things, but that’s mostly just us being born and raised in different environments. If heaven was true, then we would learn everything we need to find it heavenly.

      Also, if one believes in heaven, they likely believe in god. Being omnipotent, I don’t think he’d have an issue creating a different realm for you inside the realm of heaven.

      We’re all just a weird mycelium in some bacon after all. gettin hungry

  • rustyfish@lemmy.worldEnglish
    7·
    10 days ago

    If ALL of my dead relatives make it to heaven, I’d rather go to hell. Because a couple of them don’t deserve a good afterlife.

  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
    51·
    10 days ago

    The theory of Heaven is that it’s a utopian existence because it is filled with ontologically benevolent people.

    Also, you’re dead, so all those biological functions that produce anxiety don’t exist anymore.

    • njm1314@lemmy.world
      7·
      10 days ago

      If the biological functions that produce anxiety don’t exist anymore than surely the biological functions that produce happiness and love all cease to exist as well right?

      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
        31·
        10 days ago

        Mortal happiness, certainly. But Orthodox Christians consider that sinful, too.

        Shedding one is just as important as shedding the other.

        • njm1314@lemmy.world
          3·
          10 days ago

          Mortal happiness? So Immortal happiness still exists? What about Immortal anxiety? Does that exist?

          • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            10 days ago

            So Immortal happiness still exists?

            Buddhists define it as an absence of craving.

            What about Immortal anxiety?

            That’s hell.

            • njm1314@lemmy.world
              2·
              10 days ago

              I’m pretty sure Buddhists aren’t really allowed in the Christian Heaven so it seems a little irrelevant. I agree a Christian Heaven does seem like hell though.

              • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
                22·
                10 days ago

                I’m pretty sure Buddhists aren’t really allowed in the Christian Heaven

                Prove it. Show me a Christian Heaven with no Buddhists in it.

                I agree a Christian Heaven does seem like hell though.

                A bunch of people sitting on clouds, playing harps, and vibing? Seems pretty chill to me.

    • ⛓️‍💥@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      3·
      10 days ago

      ontologically benevolent people

      Where are these people coming from though? Surely not Earth.

      Most protestant churches do not require a believer to be perfect or benevolent to reach heaven only that they have earnest faith in God/Jesus/etc.

      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
        11·
        10 days ago

        Where are these people coming from though? Surely not Earth.

        Benevolence is a human concept measures by earthlings against the behavior of other earthlings. Earth is the only place it could come from.

        Most protestant churches do not require a believer to be perfect or benevolent to reach heaven

        I mean, YMMV by sect. But they all generally hold that some aspiration towards perfection is a requirement.

        Death becomes a means of unfettering the individual from infernal constraints and self-actualizing. The rites and rituals of the faith are about pursuing perfection and pointing yourself in the correct direction.

      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
        21·
        10 days ago

        It’s a vibe, to be sure.

        But it’s also a “we’ll know it when we see it” sort of thing. Folks who want to quibble about the exact definition of utopia are going to be the last to find it.

  • BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world
    1·
    10 days ago

    Right, I’ve always found the idea of heaven terrifying. I’ve got access to all kinds of entertainment and gazillion ways of communicating with friends and family, and I still don’t do that while all of us are alive and I’m easily bored or unimpressed, imagine now being immortal and in a place where everyone you’ve known exists and you can’t even make excuses like work or physical distance etc., to me that’s worse than life itself