Apparently pedestrians should take personal responsibility but not drivers
having to drive slower than reasonable
Honestly, this only exemplifies why speed limits by themselves don’t work. We have to design the streets so that the lower speed feels reasonable.
I know I’m probably preaching to the choir here, but it’s always worth saying.
I do agree that if people weren’t morons there would be less necessity for regulation. However, that is not the case.
It’s common sense to drive slowly in a populated area and yet people need to be told to drive slower in a school zone. We only have ourselves to blame.
It’s classic rightwinger stuff anyway: nothing should be regulated, everything just works, oh my god my car broke my family’s dead my ass is on fire…
More “guns don’t kill people” logic. Blaming victims from the crime, and separating the tool used from the criminal.
As long as everything works out perfectly in every way, we don’t need safety stuff
The lack of self awareness is at maximum speed.
Quite literally braindead, full zombiemode
Arguments on the internet used to be ridiculous. Arguments on social media are simply childish. #EverybodyIs12
Ask them if I can do heroin in a church as long as i promise to be responsible
It’s been decades since I started driving but wasn’t 25 MPH taught as when most accidents with pedestrians became fatal? 50 kmph is much faster.
I think the math is a little confusing. 50 km/h is about 31 mph, which is very close to the number you’re thinking of
Edit: the person knew the math and was commenting that it is a big difference in speed, my bad.
That’s beyond 20%, which is the rule I use for speeding. I never go more than 20% faster than the posted speed limit, except on the New Jersey Turnpike, where all bets are off.
Did you just admit to speeding on Fuck Cars? May god have mercy on your soul
Oh Jesus, what have I done.
Not the speed limit apparently
You were in NJ and keeping up with traffic is important
I’m not debating that 31mph is over 20% faster, which is certainly more likely to get a speeding ticket. The context I was replying to was “25mph is the speed when it’s fatal to a pedestrian, and 50km/h is
somuch faster.” In the context of life and death, considering both would be potentially fatal to a pedestrian, those numbers are not substantially far apart.I took that original statement to be an honest mistake in not realizing those two numbers used two different measurements.
Edited to fix the paraphrased quote
Yeah, I meant that anything above the 20% threshold is too fast! But below is within the Goldilocks zone.
Yeah I get that. I try to stay close to the speed limit myself, but try more often to take the train or to walk whenever possible. I wish it was more widely available in the States and not a horrible chore to try and use transit in most states.
Also just dangerous…my local train system is simply not safe to use once it starts getting late as a woman. I truly wish I could use it more often, but the safety factor makes it very difficult for me.
It’s such a sad reality, and I’m sorry that you experience that.
I think part of it is the mandatory driving culture - if you can afford a car you will drive, so you only take public transit if you can’t afford to drive yourself. That, plus public transit in the US is typically only available in high population cities, and it feels like there’s little law enforcement around transit locations.
I’m sure there’s other reasons as well but it’s a really unfortunate situation altogether.
“much faster” not “so much faster” and IMO 25% is a sizable difference.
Thanks for the correction. I’ll edit it, though i was intending to paraphrase and not provide a direct word for word quote.
It’s a bit of a semantic debate at this point as to what constitutes a substantial difference in the context of competing scientific studies, but in a casual conversation.
I was under the impression that the original person did a mistake in the mental math. I’m not trying to critique how people feel about differences in speed.
i am the original person. the point of my comment was to explain why I thought that.
I’m tired and missed that, thank you for the clarification.
Ah, the American brain.
or look at the road, adapt your speed to not run over anything, pedestrians included
people in cars assume that it’s the others that have to be careful and not the person driving one tonne of metal on wheels…
In France, and probably most countries in the world, pedestrians are priority on crosswalk (without lights): it’s just like a Yield the right-of-way intersection when you can engage only if it’s free, and therefore have to slow down.
But we were taught as kids to thank drivers for stopping when it’s actually the law, by this logic I should thank people for stopping at stop signs, red light and stuffs…
by this logic I should thank people for stopping at stop signs, red light and stuffs…
Really feels like it these days.
People seem really annoyed whenever they have to stop at a stop sign for me instead of being able to treat it more like a speed bump
My youngest and I have done a lot of walking through our town the last few summers and any close calls were mostly
- twice someone going the wrong way on a one way street
- people turning right on red without stopping, without yielding to pedestrians, without regard to the walk signal
- special hate to people parking or driving on the sidewalk. It’s never been immediately dangerous but you have no business there.
- I do worry about my dog since all too often someone cuts corners enough to be up on the sidewalk in turns and she thinks she can stand near the edge
Does not sound “over regulated” to me??
In 2022, 42,514 motor vehicle fatalities occurred across the United States¹ This was a 1% decrease in fatal accidents compared to 43,230 deaths from collisions in 2021.¹ In total, 5930,496 motor vehicle accidents were reported to the police in 2022.¹ Among all non-fatal auto accidents in 2022, 1,664,598 caused injuries and 4,226,677 caused damage to property.¹ There were approximately 8,650 motor vehicle accident fatalities in the first quarter of 2024, compared with 8,935 during the same time period in 2023.¹ In total, injuries resulting from motor vehicle accidents caused $481.2 billion in financial costs in 2022.² 1,910 (25%) of the 7,522 pedestrians killed in motor vehicle accidents in 2022 were involved in a hit-and-run accident.¹ Motor vehicle accidents are the second leading cause of deaths resulting from unintentional injury in the United States
https://www.forbes.com/advisor/legal/auto-accident/car-accident-statistics/#3
Both should take personal responsibilities for their actions. I had to brake more than once because some pedestrian crossed the road without looking up from his or her phone. On the other hand, someone playing around with his / her phone while driving a car should be seriously punished.
