Seriously, what Israel is doing today is no different from what the Nazis did before and at the beginning of World War II, extreme nationalism, illegal expansion, annexation of foreign territory claiming it historically belongs to them, propaganda using the latest technology, terrorizing neighbors, military at the center of society.
looking at russia, you can see nazis everywhere. Even the putin’s Wagner terror group is based on nazism ideologies.
Even ruscism ideology is not banned.
Because up until recently Zionists weren’t committing a genocide
IMO all religion that says you’re entitled to shit should be banned from practicing publicly
And it would be easier and more fair to just ban all orginized religion
This is the reason.
AIPAC
IMO it’s because the western oligarchs are making bank selling military tech to israel.
This is it. Israel is too profitable for them to detox from. They get to test out sick new tech to spy on and abuse their citizens, they get to put pressure on nations in the surrounding area with resources they want, and just the sheer amount of money selling weapons in general.
It’s one of the most lucrative grifting exercises the western nations have ever designed.
I wonder how much the “ignore your genocide” fee is.
Zionism unlike the Nazis is not a threat to western democracy. They want a Jewish state in the Middle East, which is not part of the West. As long as the West is not involved, it usually does nothing or just some arms export bans on the countries and some sanctions on leaders. Currently that is happening in Sudan, which is about as bad as Gaza, but has really nothing to do with the West. There is nothing about it in the news at least in the West.
The real intressting part is more that the West is not sitting on the sitelines, but is somewhat aiding Israel. It obviously depends on the country and some do not do it at all. However even so, you see Western countries moving away from Israel. All but the US that is.
The only thing that might be “surprising” for some in the support for Israel by Governments in the West (not to be confused with the general population, which just about everywhere seems to be far more anti-Genocide than the politicians) is how it massivelly contrasts which the last decades of talk of Freedom & Democracy from the politicians as well as the long running official posture towards the last bunch of Genocidal Ethno-Fascists - the NAZIs - which was mainly justified on their ethnic cleansing atrocities.
For those who all along were suspicious of the former words being nothing more than self-serving propaganda from some Western nations to excuse them de facto imposing their will on the people of other lands, usually to take their stuff (most commonly, Oil), and the latter being the useful parts of the truth whilst the inconvenient parts (like, for example, how Churchill himself was a Genocider or how the US profited from the War and only really entered it because of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor) were as much as possible not talked about, none of what’s going on is surprising, except perhaps the pleasant surprise of the reactions of the actual population (not the politicians, especially not the governing ones) in several such countries, often going against the will of the power elites and the heavy propaganda being deployed to convince them otherwise (for example, for all the Genocide-support of the UK Government and the BBC, not that long ago there was a demonstration with half a million Britons against the Genocide - think about it: 1.5% of the British population came out in a demonstration which is entirelly for the good of somebody else, not themselves, so 100% a question of Principle).
The politicians in general are and always have been Sociopaths, but on this which is a massive issue of Moral and Principle (it’s hard to come up with a stronger issue of Moral and Principle than the mass murder of children), most of the population are not Sociopaths nor are they following the Sociopaths, even in those countries were they are swamped by pro-Genocide Propaganda, some of which quite subtle and using techniques from Psychology to try and manipulate people’s perceptions.
How do you even define that? Why is pro Russianism not banned?
What should they do after you have been found guilty of Zionism?
PS Nazism ist not banned, it’s alive and well.
it is called ruscism.
Being a Nazi is not only not banned in most countries, in some like the US it’s explicitly legal (i.e. “Freedom of Speech”). That said, it is (kinda) banned in Germany, yet they are still around over here, because you can’t ban people from believing in stuff.
All a state can do is to try and prevent them from gaining too much traction, and I do not feel like Zionism has all that much tbh. Israel’s recent actions are very unpopulat in the west, even though most people are not even affected by them in the slightest. Many of the people who protest them probably have no direct connection to Israel or Gaza. So what’s the goal of a ban even?
I can only speak for Germany, but here an Israeli sniper and alledged murderer fled the country, bacause he is being persecuted for warcrimes, i.e. the murder of civilians. You also cannot call for the extermination of anyone without riscing consequences. This does not prevent people from being Nazis, Zionists or anything else. It just sanctions them for publicly expressing it.
‘All a state can do is to try and prevent them from gaining too much traction, and I do not feel like Zionism has all that much tbh.’
Are you serious? Just look around you ffs.
also because legally buying land in, and migrating back to, a country from which your descendants came is not a crime
Unless a Palestinian tries to do it, of course.
Buying a house is legal, but annexing and building on occupied territory is illegal according to international law.
if you frame it that way, no, but if you take into account the open terrorism of irguin, the murders and ethnic cleansing of the nakba, 80 years of apartheid and casual killing, and the genocide since 2023, its all crimes for 80 years. So try again with the framing of the problem.
can you remember what the arabs did that started all that?
“The arabs”
You know you’re a fascist when you think an entire race of people are an undifferentiated hivemind who share collective guilt and can be collectively punished. Also justifying genocide and terrorism with “they started it!”
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Found the zionist! You need to read up on the history of Palestine, rather than echo israeli hasbara.
Try ‘A Very Short History of the Israel-Palestine Conflict’ by Ilan Pappe to start 🙂.
i know you read this book many times so could you quote something from it that disproves anything i said?
Yes I can. Do you drive a volkswagen, btw?
What Israel is doing nowadays IS different from what the NAZIs did: the Zionists aren’t yet attacking the “superior” races.
The Humanitarianism in Western “Democracies” was always performative, the least democratic the nation the more performative it was, which I why generally you see the most support for Israel in the countries with the least democratic voting systems like the US and the UK (though present day Germany is a bit of an exception to this since they have a mixed voting system with a Proportional Vote component).
Way back in the beginning of NAZIsm the European and American elites loved the NAZIs and their ideas (for example, there is a picture of young British Princess Elizabeth, later Queen Elizabeth, being taught how to do a NAZI salute by her uncle, the then King) and it was only when the NAZIs attacked other Europeans that they turned against the NAZIs. This actually makes lots of sense as the NAZI ideas of the inherent superiority of some over others, especially along ethnic lines, were normalized in early XXth Century American and European society and very popular amongst the old-wealth elites (which naturally saw themselves as inherently superior to the rest, as that explained their higher status and priviledges in their societies - they deserved to be born into wealth because they were superior people)
We’re looking back at the NAZIs from the end of a long track that included a period of propaganda heavilly against them which was necessary to inspire the population to support the war effort against them - in the period betwen then and now all the shit they did came out and none of it was reframed to seem justifiable (as is being done right now for the Zionist Genocide by many politicians and news media), quite the contrary: through some of the most powerful means to do so - dramatic films - we were made to experience and empathize with some of the pain of the victims of the Holocaust, mainly the Jewish (curiously, that of the Roma and Sindi was pretty much ignored) as well as repeatedly made to feel pride in the actions of the men and women that fought against the NAZIs in WWII and in the Resistance movements in places like France (just compare the portrayal of the Resistance Française to how Hamas is being portrayed)
I have little doubt that had the NAZIs just sticked to exterminating “lesser races” (like in the eyes of just about every Racist out there the Zionists are doing), the “pragmatism” (read, treating Principles as secondary to the Economic interests of the elites and themselves) of those in “Democratic” governments would have a lot of them justifying, reframing, denying and excusing the murderous actions of the NAZIs and claiming they didn’t really do a Genocide, same as they do now for the murderous actions of the Zionists.
By the way, this also explains the massive difference in the reaction to the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the reaction to the Israeli Genocide in Gaza, even though the latter is thousands of times more murderous for civilians.
Today, Christofascism is, if not just strongly allied to Zionist ethnic supremacy, is subservient to it. Biblical passages that validate all Netanyahu actions become the most important biblical passages, for scum like Ted Cruz to say out loud. It’s a common goal to exterminate Islam. The only explanation for the confluence is Zionist money determining elections is also Zionist money determining Christian pastor sermons. It started with rapture absurdity, but it’s now total agreement that Jews are the chosen people and deserve every land claim. The bribery to accept Jewish supremacy does not ever go away, and supposed rapture moment where Jews are supposed to convert to Christianity, will never come.
Gaslighting the right/christofacsits to support Israel is encouraging their violent fascist support that is useful to Israel. Anytime a Jew is harmed in America, media must do 24/7 Zionist/Israel supremacy propaganda, and so the best possible outcome for Zionism.
My interpretation is that for the politicians involved, Religion and Political Ideology are nothing more than the means via which they manipulate other people in order to maximize their own personal upsides - the politicians playing the crowd have zero belief in those things and via their statements in those domains are merely using them as levers to be pulled in the mind of the common people to make them do what is in the interest of the patrons of those politicians.
As far as I can tell just about all that we’re seeing in modern politics is explained by the Sociopaths shamelessly using Tribalism and Religion (neither of which they actually believe in) as tools to move the public in order to achieve things that either make them wealthier or which they are being forced to do because they are being blackmailed by people who have proof of them having commited attrocious deeds in the past.
Unlike for a normal person, for a Sociopath the consequences of their actions being the deaths of tens of thousands of babies are entirelly irrelevant - they couldn’t give a rats arse about the suffering or joy of people who cannot pay them back for them making it happen, and for a Western politician Palestinian babies are definitely in the “whatever we do to them there will never be any payback” class.
All of this shit just feels outrageous and almost unimaginable to us because we’re not Sociopaths or Psychopaths and their way of relating to other people entirelly without feeling or empathy is so alien to us that we instinctivelly do not want to believe human beings will behave like that - for example, even though logically and intellectually I know that Trump doesn’t care for truthfulness or lack of it and just says whatever is convenient for him, and even given all that he has done so far, when I hear the guy there is still a part of me which wants to give him the benefit of the doubt, same as for everybody else out there, and just doesn’t want to accept that somebody doesn’t have a single redeamable trait. This is all me and nothing the guy: my emotional side simply doesn’t want to accept that a person, any person, will have no limits to how far they will harm others for their own personal goals (because that’s entirely outside my own experience), and this even while my intellect has logically conclude that they are indeed like that and even my instincts are ringing alarm bells about “dangerous untrustworthy asshole” from how he moves and talks.
The Neocon movement were all led by Ultra Zionists, and blessed by greatest gift ever of 9/11 for their 7 regimes in 7 years (all Israel resistant nations) war plans. RNC candidates would campaign on Christian (values) supremacy, and DNC on liberal supremacy. GWB campaigned on peace with Iraq. After 9/11, while RNC would loudly chest thump for war calling their DNC opponents weak, DNC always supported the most neocon zionist supremacist candidates with some minority (
DEI) appeal for President, and quiet Neocon Zionism (justified on Apartheid ethnostate having healthcare, education and criminalization of raping Jewish women) liberal supremacism justification for Zionism/Neocon policies. Neocon liberal supremacism is behind Biden’s war on Russia, demonizing Putin’s corruption reforms from previous CIA puppet Yeltsin.Direct warmongering advocacy is very rare in political races, and Trump’s magik skill is “all wars will end because only I can be tough and scary”. So we just vote on what the media tells us are the issues, which tend to minimize Israel/neocon war. The record funded primaries against Democrats by AIPAC were only successful when Israel was not at all spoken out loud. Some other issue/attack was the focus.
Once in office, all money for Israel/neocon war and oligarchy. No money for any pluralism campaign rally cry
Capitalist countries rarely enforce their policies on right wing extremism. Fascism is a guard dog of capital they think they can keep leashed. In the 20th century that guard dog was pointed east so that it could harm the communists which threatened capital then. Today that guard dog is used to control resources in west asia and hide the dirtier work of imperialism that the west doesn’t want as seen on their hands. They can’t ban zionism because they need Israel and zionism is foundational to Israel.
Because being involved in international politics at the state level has a similarly effect on one’s morals as the One Ring
Europe is America’s bitch and America is israel’s bitch
Zionism was originally an idealistic thought and evolved into something unrecognisable today. It was supported by most people across the world before. Zionism is inspired by nationalism, as was Nazism. If we bring your logic to its ultimate conclusion, then it goes to the circular questioning as to why is nationalism not been banned, despite causing so much harm and atrocity? Why is African nationalism not banned? Or Indian nationalism? Or Ukrainian nationalism? Even the history of nationalism has started with the best intentions. As had happened with most ideologies, however, they don’t end well. I think even the the mildest form of nationalism will eventually end up extreme. Nationalism is making a pact with the devil and expecting the due will never come. That is what happened on German nationalism leading to Nazism, and Israeli nationalism leading to Zionism. And soon, American nationalism leading to MAGA nationalism.
No actually it had always been considered a pretty dangerous far right idea, right up until the state of Israel was founded and then anti zionists became the fringe.
Nazism isn’t “banned” per se, at least in the U.S. as the First Amendment does not allow for viewpoint discrimination, however repugnant a viewpoint might be. But the First Amendment does not protect against cultural, social, or other forms of non-government backlash for those who support disgusting ideologies like Nazism.
So there is no “banning” that could take place of the Zionist viewpoint, if we were to consider it on par with Nazism. By and large in the U.S., Zionism and Nazism are not seen as equally repugnant viewpoints in the cultural landscape, hence the difference in how supporters of these views are treated. Hope that makes sense.
Well, at least here in the US it’s because our politicians are openly bribed by Israel.
