While I wouldn’t wish this on anyone, it’s amazing how self-destructive this is. Greta is an internationally famous activist. Flagrantly violating and abusing a person with world renown - along with dozens of other activists - is a radically stupid way to hasten international isolation.
It is well known by most in Israel that the country simply cannot function in isolation. It will lead to collapse. In this, they are giving the flotilla far more power to eventually overthrow the ruling regime.
They just assume Uncle Sam will bail them out, no matter what. They are not wrong, much to the frustration of a large portion of the US population.
The Americans are not the reliable partner they used to be.
Reliable enough, unfortunately.
There’s no assumption: it’s a known fact.
Thats on borrowed time. Money to isreal is one of the only issues left and right agree with. Someone is going to take advantage of that eventually and isrela is gonna get disconnected from the US teet
Uncle Sam has Congestive Heart Failure. Their position is tenuous to be generous.
They have done worse to other protestors and faced zero accountability:
Yeah, why would any major players care? Did they ever care for activists?
There are reports from American doctors who worked in Gaza of Palestinian babies being regularly shot in the head.
That was reported during the Biden administration.
Israel is murdering babies, and it hasn’t affected their support. Why would this matter?
I should clarify what I mean a bit.
I’m not saying that brutalizing Greta Thunberg is the straw that is going to break the camel’s back. I’m saying that it’s an escalation of a pattern of behavior that I think is very likely leading toward a collapse of the zionist project at some point in the next decade.
The testimony of those doctors is absolutely part of the same pattern of behavior. And while a lot of folks have looked at the continuing genocide and concluded that clearly, nothing has mattered and nothing will, I believe it has, and it will.
It’s hard to describe succinctly, but Israel today is far, far, FAR weaker than Israel 5 years ago. There is an inertia that lets them feign invincibility, but the country is truly in times without precedent. The longest war since its establishment was 118 days in '82. So much of the assumptions on which Israel relies – constant readiness, bipartisan US support, the total support of Europe, constant Jewish immigration, a strong labor force, a booming tourism industry – is in shambles. Internal divisions are rending their society apart. Their economy, international influence, and social institutions are in crisis.
In this context, this continued loss of an ability or willingness to be discrete in their atrocities really does bolster my conviction that in the next five years the country is going to collapse.
Unlike many, I don’t say this lightly or with glee. I just say it because it’s what I foresee.
Remember when Elon Musk did a nazi salute on the world stage for all to see? Remember how we were trying to rationalize what the hell he was thinking? The simplest answer is that nazis at some point just can’t help themselves and they end up saluting because they love doing it, they just need to show people who they are.
Same logic I think applies here. Yes it is self-defeating, yes, it is stupid, and yes, it is gratuitous and dangerous. But these people working Ben Gvir’s prisons? This is who they are. It’s horrifically simple. The people working the Israeli prison system are low level functionaries of apartheid. These are not people who think in terms of strategy etc. If they had the capacity to think like that they wouldn’t be there. It’s as simple as that.
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With some of the politicians in power these days, it will be pushed as finally putting an end to her climate lies or some other bullshit culture war topic.
If trying to exterminate a whole population did not do anything, I doubt abusing Thunberg will change things
Genuienly, how is it self destructive?
Is this the red line that’s going to result in…
… anything negative happening to Israel?
Probably not, no.
What, is somebody go to war with Israel and the US over Greta, not hundreds of thousands being starved shot blown up and lit on fire?
I answered this in reply to another comment at greater length, but I’m describing this as a pattern of behavior that I think has already set Israel on a course for collapse in several years.
fair enough, I’m just pissed and being a bit catty.
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It’s not. Nothing will change, the west will keep supporting israel while pretending not to
You make a good point. I think sadly it will not rise to the point of actual effect. It will inflame people who support her, and those folks are likely already inflamed over Gaza. Many others don’t give a shit about her or actively hate her, and they will either gloss over this or say “that’s what you get” or even “good.”
My own mother, who is a feminist and wildlife advocate, loves to repost FB memes about her being an unrealistic virtue signalling twat who perfoms a low-carbon image while still not living up to the humble standards of the elbow-grease-powered older generations. It’s sad. Greta is incredibly polarizing, and some people just hate her for being young and idealistic.
On the whole I don’t see this affecting anything. We live in an era of mutually exclusive mental models of reality and they can be incredibly well insulated.
Supremacists gonna supremacist.
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I’m starting to think Israel aren’t the good guys…
For those of you doubting the claims for lack of evidence, stating that you’ll “wait for the facts” or evidence before allowing yourslf to be outraged—
Where is your outrage for the countless other people who were there who personally testified to being beaten, abused, and paraded around like trophies?
There are already multiple interviews with Chris Smalls, a black American labor organizer, who directly confirmed that he had been beaten, choked, packed like a sardine into a small cell, sleep deprived, strip searched, and completely brutalized by the Israeli navy and prison system.
Ask yourself—why does this need to have happened to the appropriately aged, white, European female on a 4k, live streamed or recorded feed with corroborating testimony by the Israelis and the national newspapers of the country of origin of the supposed victim—why is that the bar you’ve set for credulity?
What does that say about you or your reaction to the situation?
Wake. Up.
Fuck the details, fuck the squabbling over what constitutes “roughness” versus physical assault. Fuck the inclination to want to hear “the other side” of the story. Things are going horribly wrong in Israel/Palestine—in a place that we’ve all been told over and over is supposed to be demonstrably above reproach. If even half these claims are true—if even a single one of them is true—what GOOD is it preserving the supposed beacon of democracy in the middle east when they treat foreigners this way?
Even if you think these activists are mentally unwell, or menaces, or being performative, or just doing this for “selfies”—so what? We all know these activists are obviously not terrorists and at least some of them genuinely believe what they are doing. None of this justifies their treatment. Nothing justifies the richest and proudest countries on earth—however much you might agree with that claim—what GOOD is that if our prisons condemn people to absolute squalor and abandonment to the whims of their guards?
HOW is this any different from the indignity camps? These peoples possessions were seized as trophies , their clothes taken, their bodies crammed together like chattel. Do there need to be ovens for there to be discernable lines? Must you feel the radiant heat on your own brows before you’ll indulge the sensation that something isn’t right here?
Wake. Up.
Waiting for the facts is a pretty sensible move in most situations.
At this point in time everything Israel and Netanyahu do is sus, so ‘waiting for the facts’ is just an excuse to do nothing.
For some, I guess it could be. I just personally prefer for more concrete info for most stuff.
Then why even comment? Your comment brings zero value
The comment above mine was trying to call out people who want to wait for facts. I just shared my opinion on it. This is not a very high barrier platform lol
Since you are not waiting. What are you doing?
So let’s spread potential misinformation instead! Banzai!
(There’s enough evidence of Netanyhau and Israel’s atrocities not to have to potentially make shit up.)
One piece of misinfo is enough for them to use as a Get out of jail-free card
Indeed, but that isn’t my primary concern, since we have as much responsibility to call out their bullshit. Problem is that the media gets bored after one pass and never tried to correct the record.
A responsible CNN for example would call Trump out at every opportunity during live presentations and not broadcast anything pre-recorded that Trump says that doesn’t have a basis in fact or hold any value to the public otherwise (like trump rambling nonsense reveals his worsening senility, which is handy to know).
FOX News isn’t even worthy of criticism it’s so utterly captured by the conservative propaganda machine.
FOX news & Sky News aren’t captured. They ARE conservative propaganda machines
Well yeah, but we’ve got plenty of facts already. Decades of facts, in fact.
It’s like climate change. Yes, we’re constantly learning new things, but the fact that we are in crisis is not disputable.
We have more than enough facts to condemn and convict Israel and Netanyahu of crimes against humanity.
But I’m talking about the Greta thing though
Oh well that specifically wait and see, sure. But obviously it shouldn’t move the needle on your opinion of the state of Israel and their unconscionable siege of Gaza, is what I meant.
I mean if true I’ll think worse of them
I’m never going to say don’t wait for facts.
But the issue is that “the facts” can take years to assertain… Sometimes there’s a lot of damage that can be done.
It’s a delicate balance. People weaponize “wait for the facts” to just delay and dull the impact. Like most things, it’s not black and white.
I don’t think saying “most” is the best application here.
This is OLD news, their genociding has been going-on for years, now.
“comically”, the Jewish book of Jeremiah, & the Jewish book of Isaiah, both speak of Israel turning anti-God, & then getting G-D’s wrath torching it…
IF that biblical-rule still holds, THEN Netanyahu’s “Israel” is getting torched, soon.
Simply wait & see: if that torching does happen, then their God made it happen, according to their scripture, right?
Here’s facts, for the ideological to ignore/deny: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1422308/palestinian-territories-israel-number-fatalities-and-injuries-caused-by-the-israel-and-hamas-war/
Israeli identity is rooted on genociding/exterminating multiple-nations, thousands of years ago:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+20%3A17&version=CJB orders the EXTERMINATION of 6 nations, & another of their books identifies that it was 7 exterminations, not 6, they were to enforce.
Genociding/exterminating/holocausting isn’t a new behavior for Israel.
Doing it in the name of “zionism” is new, but genociding isn’t new.
I’d never have guessed this, having grown-up in 2 religions: medical-science & Catholicism,
but the book “The Alphabet Versus the Goddess” by Leonard Shlain identified that the original holocausting was done by the Jews, & I went & checked in the bible, & yep… there it was…
what Shlain didn’t notice, probably because of being Jewish, was that the Catholic Inquisitors were Latin-educated, which also corroborates his point that getting populations to be left-hemisphere-dominant forces ideological-rabies…
What is the root-cause, though? Want experience-induced-undersanding which vastens one’s mind?
Work-through, not-merely-read, it is the DOing which produces the experience-of-sentience-transformation, Betty Edwards’ “Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain, the 4th, Definitive Edition”, but use charcoals, which makes it much easier to experience the hemisphere-dominance-shift…
See this gallery?
https://www.drawright.com/before-after
That SHOWS the difference-in-MIND of hemisphere-dominance-shift: it is EVIDENCE.
Being an autistic blockhead, it took me 3y, not 5d, to experience that shift, because fighting the woodenness-of-my-brain made me want to scream…
Anyways, all who pretend that “there is no evidence for hemisphere-dominance-shift”, are people who won’t do the experiment, so … they can shove their ideology … wherever their egos are, to keep their egos company.
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Ideology, specifically symbol-anchored ideology, is prone to rabies/genociding, exactly as Shlain identified, throughout human history.
R-Mind isn’t prone to rabies/genociding.
Exactly as Marshall McLuhan, the ultra-genius who forsaw telework around 1953, it isn’t possible for people who grew-up literate to understand what illiterate-culture’s story-river sentience is, or means…
His stupendous insight is embodied in “The Medium Is The mAssage”, strange-capitalization is mine, but the spelling is his!
The medium of electric-technology, as he called it, is modular, & it forms minds into modularity!
The medium of story-river isn’t modular, & forms minds into holding-onto eternal story-river, because that’s their greatest treasure: it is who they are that they are holding-onto!
There’s no way to imagine being in sooo-different a kind of sentience.
Precisely the same impossibility-of-understanding-the-difference is true, with hemisphere-dominance-shift: it isn’t possible to imagine within-1-sentience-kind, what any other-sentience-kind means/is/feels-like!
Hofstadter’s “Godel Escher Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid” was also on this single point, from a totally-different angle:
Formal-systems, ideologies, prejudices, & “religions”, all are AXIOM-BASED knowing: and evidence is powerless to falsify them!
One has to choose between 2 mutually exclusive knowing-paradigms: self-consistency/axiom-based, … XOR … completeness/universe-centered.
Godel’s Theorem of Incompleteness mathematically proved that self-consistency CANNOT be complete-knowing of universe!
Anyways, back to sentiences:
IF one never even experiences one’s own brain’s hemisphere-dominance-shift, THEN one dies ignorant of AN ENTIRE DIMENSION of one’s own sentience!
The fact that alphabetic-language/left-hemisphere-polarization also consistently produces more genociding, builds on that as evidence that limiting ourselves to a specific-subset-of-our-potential creates distorted-psyche… & distorted-behavior/society.
I ask everyone, as Betty Edwards asked everyone, please DO THE EXPERIMENT, & EXPERIENCE the resultant sentience-shift, your own self, & KNOW what that sentience-shift feels-like,
& when one does, THEN Shlain’s book turns into fluorescent, & screaming, warning, about the consequences of blocking-out the other-half of our brains.
People who experience both kinds of sentience, regularly, don’t do what the ideologues are doing with our world!
That the mode-of-mind that the polarized-in-symbols people are demonstrating, with its ideological-genociding, is a distortion.
It is a mind-distortion that WE have been educated into!
Cut the root of the distortion, by directly-experiencing it oneself!
Here: I’ll give you the links to the books, themselves… ( none of these are “affiliate” links: machiavellianism-narcissism can go eat rocks : )
https://www.drawright.com/bettys-books https://www.drawright.com/try-an-exercise https://www.kobo.com/us/en/ebook/drawing-on-the-right-side-of-the-brain https://www.kobo.com/us/en/ebook/the-alphabet-versus-the-goddess-the-conflict-between-word-and-image No ebook version for McLuhan's stunningly-important insight, so here's the paperback: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=marshall+mcluhan+medium+massage ditto for GEB: https://www.amazon.com/G%C3%B6del-Escher-Bach-Eternal-Golden/dp/0465026567/( for both the paperbacks, I read the original edition, decades ago, so I hope that you’re getting a version that hasn’t pruned-out any of the important stuff! GEB, the 2nd edition adds an explanatory preface, so that’s the only change, but for McLuhan’s, I’ve no idea what changed between editions )
Anyways, genociders gaslighting about what they’re doing, as Russia has been demonstrating, & Israel has been demonstrating, & as the US of A will shortly be more-completely-demonstrating, once Trump stops vascillating in his nature/unconscious-mind, & becomes like Putin & Netanyahu completely ( might take only weeks/months, now, for that transformation to complete ) is well-established and normal among our world’s left-hemisphere-polarized minds,
AND evidence showing what’s actuality, is abundant, including before-after video of Palestinian cities.
Reject evidence if you want, & pretend that no evidence counts unless it is … authorized by the gaslighters who’re doing the genociding, if that’s what “standard” you hold to be true:
I’ve encountered enough people who do that that now I know it’s a real thing…
I’ve also encountered the ones who insist that unless Israel authorizes Palestinian-deaths to be actual, they they’re only lies/delusions made-up to falsely-accuse Israel.
Sorry, but the photographic & video-evidence has been falsifying that gaslighting all along, & I’m not obedient to such evil-machiavellianism, anymore: age has benefits, including spine-produced-by-cynicism.
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Friend even the title has this as breaking news
Not if Israel is not allowing in journalists. Every testimony against Israel is 100% true because they refuse to let people check.
I don’t think it works like that hah
Honest question: is that not just being complicit in their cover up? If they say nothing happened and nobody is allowed in to verify anything, then you say nothing has been verified yet so you’ll assume nothing has happened, it’s that not just doing exactly what they want? How are you supposed to prevent atrocities if all they have to do is deny and refuse outside observation for you to remain inactive?
I just don’t like to take things on faith. Some collaborating evidence is nice to have. It doesn’t mean it has to be irrefutable proof, the bar isn’t that high in this case imo.
It does.
Don’t hold your breath, facts are what they feed the media, why do you think something like the feddi verse has to exist…you should see the cess pool of mainstream social media at any giventime…you’d be surprised how this human race is still even here and didn’t wipe each other out
You completely misunderstood my point or have lead clogging your ears.
How many facts are enough facts? Mm? All the facts? Not a single fact missing, not a single rock left unturned before reaching a conclusion?
At what angle does the sun have to reach before you conclude it’s daytime? Do you need it to reach its peak, at noon, and feel the warmth on your skin? Does it need to completely dip below the horizon for you to concede a day has passed? Of course, at that point you’ll surely say, “Ah ha! See! The sun is no longer in the sky and so it is not daytime!”
It seems that you believe conclusions only arrive from deduction. That’s a cowardly way of rolling about in this world, since all your conclusions must be guaranteed rather than reasoned through logical inference.
“Sensible”—ha! Thinking by “sense” alone squanders the powers of reason wherein conclusions may be formed at the risk of not yet being fully grounded in immediate observation, which is how I can confidently infer—despite the thorough stone turning upon which you’d undoubtedly insist—that you are not a sex-haver.
I’d personally prefer at least some facts about the case in question. But the line is different for everyone
Zios literally said they were going to do this.
Where is the outrage over the hostages Hamas has taken and have beaten and raped? If you’re outraged over unconfirmed reports of a person being treated this way, shouldn’t you also be outraged that Hamas does these things? Or is acceptable to treat people of certain ethnicities in this way?
I dont have words for how stupid your take is. Like I can’t think of a way to describe it you, because this is so intellectually shallow that it would take to long to even get you to understand that two things can be true at the same time.
Here’s a few words for their post that you can borrow: whataboutism, propaganda, tu quoque, bad faith.
Where’s your evidence of Hamas’s attrocities ??
From Hamas official statements. They hold civilians hostage which is a war crime. They’ve massacred villages which is genocide.
Do you deny Hamas committed genocide? Are you a genocide denier?
Armed resistance ain’t genocide homeboy. Israeli targetted civilian population, used white-phosphorous & counter-bombardment in a densely-populated area.
Hamas targetted military personnel.
Genocide denier.
Cool projection bro. Israelis are europeans & Israel is not real buddy. Also all of the Israeli population are military personel. While Palestine actually has a civilian population
She’s still a little kid. They made her suffer.
I think that’s needlessly infantilizing her. She’s 22. She’s not a “little kid”. I think she’s old enough for her opinions to carry weight, so how is she a “little kid”?
The youth should have their opinions respected too.
I’m not going to take political opinions from a 3 year old, which is about what I’m thinking when someone says “little kid”. Teenagers, like she was when she got famous, can have enough context about the world that their opinions, particularly about things like sustainability, equality, etc, are valid.
I mean, I feel you, I remember aggroing over verbiage like that when I was younger, but as I am now approaching my upper 30s, I find myself referring to basically 25 yos and under as ‘kids’, its not necesarrily always meant in a demeaning, infantilzing way, can be meant more in the sense of…
… ‘has their whole life ahead of them still, it shouldn’t be marred or maimed or traumatized this early’ /
/ ‘they are adults technically yes, but they have far less experience than most other adults’ /
/ ‘they are too young to be beset by such cruelty and hardship, there should be other adults being better adults such that these awful things do not happen.’
I guess what I am trying to say is it becomes a kind of genuine, broad protective connotation, not trying to be belittling, moreso a lament that the world has failed.
Maybe call it a bungled attempt at intergenerational solidarity.
The thing is, she wasn’t just called a kid, but a “little kid”.
Sure, I’d call early 20s kids too. Hell, I’m a kid, I’m only turning 30 this year. But I wouldn’t call someone a “little kid” once they hit their teenage years. The “little” is what makes the difference in tone. Could’ve said “she’s just a kid” and it would’ve been a believable attempt at intergenerational solidarity.
Keep in mind that we’re talking about a translation here. The phrase quoted might not have the same connotations in Turkish as it does in English.
Oh shit I didn’t ever clock that, yeah, yeah this kind of slight difference in phrasing between acceptable and unnaceptable stuff gets a million times more confusing when you are literally moving between languages.
Great example of that: Why are there so many different Bible translations and why do so many people argue about which one is better?
I absolutely think of 22 as a little kid, but I was there when the last Woolly Mammoth died, so it’s somewhat relative.
Idk, to me “little kid” means “not in school yet”. It’s the “little” that makes the difference, compared to just calling someone a kid or kiddo.
Well someone who is above 40 will probably think of her as a little kid while someone who 28 for example will probably think that they are close in age. Though this doesn’t matter no one deserves to be treated like this regardless of age.
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There’s 150 comments in this one post, having a couple about this one thing - which I also thought was off - is fine and good.
It’s ok for people to point out bad things in something you agree with overall.
I’m sorry, I just think that the zionist actions are bad by default but news articles shouldn’t minimize the people that defy them?
That’s fair. And I completely agree with you, in general
But, you knew there was a but coming, it was the person who saw the beating that actually said she is a kid. And, in this case at least it seems, that the media was just quoting them.
Plus, in my view, the sentence of “Israeli terrorists beat a kid” is worse than “Israeli terrorists beat an adult”.
So, to me, it looked like you were nitpicking and trying to minimise their actions by pointing out Greta isn’t a child. It seems I got that bit wrong and I apologise.Fair, I can see how we might have misunderstood each other
Depends on how old the person saying that. I’m only in my late 30’s and anyone in their early 20’s does feel like a kid. Yes, 22 is an adult, but you’ve barely just scratched the surface of life experiences.
I agree. There are also a lot of older people on the flotilla and Greta’s age and mannerism could easily lead someone to refer to her in this framing. There are probably people on those boats who have grandkids her age and absolutely have kids her age or older.
Exactly! They’re not infantilizing her, they’re just describing her as they see her: as still basically a kid with one foot into adulthood.
I feel like it’s mostly younger people disagreeing tbh. No one older seriously looks back on their young adulthood and goes “yup, I had everything figured out then! That was totally my peak!”…well, unless your Al Bundy obsessing over high school football games.
Thing is, the older people get, the more selfish they seem to get too. The entire world burning down in 10 years doesn’t matter if you’re 98. So more life experience isn’t automatically more credible.
Selfish people dedicate their lives to accumulating wealth and wealthy people tend to live longer.
That’s a bullshit generalization, or “stereotype”. Jane Goodall just died at a ripe old age and she was a saint. You’re not debating, just throwing bullshit assumptions out and acting like you just wrote a thesis paper on experience.
There’s always exceptions.
That doesn’t change this:
And in general, if you look at politicians, the few who actually fight for the future are on the younger side (think AOC, Mamdani, etc). Yes, obviously there are exceptions. Bernie Sanders being a huge one.
Cool, now let’s talk about the overwhelming majority of today’s youth leaning right. If young people are so much smarter why are so many of them falling into that trap?
Oh shit, it’s almost like making generalizations leads to you spouting bullshit out of context. I can just as easily paint today’s youth as absolute morons.
But you’re so ready to be like “old people dumb and evil” that you forget this is all about calling Greta " a child". You know, like your grandma might do to your adult self because, from her perspective, you still are.
Go touch some grass you fucking loser. We’re talking about someone being abused and you’re nitpicking over the definition of “child”. You’ve missed the mark so far you’re not even in the same stadium.
I’m talking natural leanings vs all the young people currently being exposed to right wing propaganda which is different.
There’s a common saying “you’ll grow out of liberalism” among older conservatives.
Oh, you have a SAYING?!? Omg, another vague generalization? Holy shit, how have we as a species survived for so long without your wisdom, Plato??? You need to tell the masses!
Hey everyone, this guy has boiled down all of politics to a few simple sayings! We’ve found the Messiah!
Fucking dumbass 😑
Again, this is about someone older referring to a young person as “still a child”. That’s it, you fucking tool. How daft are you?
I feel that anyone in their 30s is a child.
You’ve only had 15 years at being an adult what would you know
So perspective does matter when understanding utterings in their context!
Yes, I am still young and there’s much to learn still. Just there’s EVEN MORE OF THAT for younger people. It’s called perspective.
They are the evil they claim to be fighting
Wow, Israel really is the only democracy in the Middle East!
With the most moral army in the world no less
Zionist gaslighting is second to none.
Israel to Nazis: When I left you I was but the learner now I am the master.
Israel is a fucking terrorist country. IDF is a new SS. They are new Nazi.
“Never again” meant “Never again to us” for the ZioNazis.
They will never live this down either. Netanyahu’s government has destroyed Israeli reputation for decades to come.
And if you know the history of Zionism, then you’ll know that both the Zionist and National Socialist parties in pre-WWII Germany and Europe complemented each other.
The Nazis got going before the Zions did, but both are siblings of each other.
The Zions have had time to more perfect their fascism tho
The most expected outcome of the expedition.
Exactly the kind of thing Israel would do. Very consistent and predictable of them.
Breaking: terrorists behave like terrorists
This is another pivotal moment. WE can speak out and make our elected officials (wherever we are in the world) KNOW that their political careers and their parties future depends upon their actions.
Heads should roll. Quite literally. That is the only message they will understand.
Israel is a terrorist state.
Bruh, reminds me of the stories I heard about ww2 when the imperial japanese army invaded my homeland China, they would force people to kneel and sing the japanese national anthem under the threat of execution if people didn’t comply. Its so evil disgusting villainy.
The irony (for anyone not clear on it or not catching it) is that the Israeli military forced the captives to wrap themselves in the flag of Israel—which prominently features the star of David—so that soldiers could take pictures of them that could be circulated to humiliate the activists.
Where else have we heard of people being forced to wear the star of David so that everyone could point and laugh and humiliated them?
Israeli soldiers are so eager to “tea bag” their enemies with their own flag that they’re unable to see the irony.
It’s a sad case of “hurt people hurt people”.
I think it’s a sad case of cunts being cunts
I mean no offense on the whole, but its quite ironic given the reports on how they treat Uyghur folks.
…Kinda like Israel’s irony here. And the US, and, you know, a whole lot of countries right now. Trauma tends to get passed down, it seems.
Regardless of what your opinions on Palestine might be, Israel really isn’t beating the allegations right now.
I remember what I learned in school about this, it was described as a territory dispute between two equal belligerents. Maybe that was true 30 years ago, I don’t know, but it really doesn’t describe what’s going on right now.
The war is over. Israel won, Palestine barely even exists anymore. This is the part where you’re supposed to facilitate aid and win over the losers to your side. dafuq flavor of genocide you dune Israel?
of course, nobody who needs to read this will ever see it. I’m just upset that this kind of thing can even happen in current year.
Of course the second, I’m looking at current events like it’s still 2015. not sure why I’m doing that, but fuck does current events make me miss 2015.
Throw another war crime on the fire…
Can we just jump to tribunals yet?
Why are you still posting? Literally everyone is tired of you.
Everyone? LOL.
Everyone.
3 downvotes with +108 says otherwise.
I decided to demoderate Jordan in the communities we are in together, as I just am tired of all the drama. I hope he understands that.
Again, not “everyone”. More upvotes since then.
Your psychology is remarkable. It’s a shame you aren’t a top mod anymore.
