Hi all! I used to be a daily r/selfhosted lurker and a bit active user. Since the Reddit saga I thought that r/selfhosted would be one of the first and bigger community to move to Lemmy due to the IT knowledge of all of their users and the sensitivity about self host/privacy/open source, but I see that not only the community is still all there, but it’s rising. :( That really makes me sad. How can we convince the mods there to move people here? Is it allowed to talk about Lemmy on Reddit or do we risk of being banned?
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The change will come once people start searching for stuff on Google and they get results which link back to lemmy. For that to happen we need people asking for help/feedback and getting their answers here.
Google’s algorithm might actively down-rank Lemmy sites though, as the messages appear duplicated on multiple sites, which is usually a sign of SEO blog spam.
Probably needs a change on Google’s side to better recognize federated websites. Not impossible that they will do this, lets see.
As of v0.18.2, Lemmy marks the “original URL” as the canonical URL so search engines know which page is the “real” one. Shouldn’t that help?
Maybe? I guess Google would need to actively look for that.
According to their develop pages, they do look for that:
There are a handful of factors that play a role in canonicalization: […], and
rel="canonical"linkannotations.(but Google considers it a hint, so they don’t have to honor it)
Also, that change was just for Lemmy. Other Fediverse sites may not do the same, which would lessen the effect. For example, from a quick look at a random federated post on kbin.social, there was no such
<link rel="canonical"/>element present in the page source.Good to know. Might be worth making an issue report on kbin for that: https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-core
Someone already made one 3 hours ago. Though apparently it won’t help by itself, since their
robots.txtdisallows indexing anyway (and that same issue also requests that to be adjusted).
correct and also back linking on our blogs/medium posts/etc…
Hmm does Lemmy need search engine optimization? I have no idea how seo works these days :/
If you link to Lemmy on Reddit, the admins sometimes delete the comment.
Hahaah some mods in r/greece are doing exactly than too
allowed to talk about Lemmy on Reddit
if /r/lemmy is any proof; A) its ok to talk about lemmy on reddit and B) /u/spez has some validity in his point about users would be back not just because of the ‘48hr’ thing.
That said, yes a loud enough minority can create change and that discussion does need to happen where the users are for the network effect to kick off.
Some mods are deleting comments/posts promoting lemmy. I made a post in my fav sub about the community in lemmy and the mods deleted it.
I had at least three comments talking about Lemmy removed too. For all I know it was many more than that because I didn’t get any notice or explanation.
My take is that they’re censoring without even informing people because the fediverse is a real threat to them.
Stop obsessing about Reddit and create a content on Lemmy instead. People will come once they see there’s enough activity here.
Exactly. Chill out. It’s not a competition.
Just hang out and enjoy the community.
Subscriber numbers mean little. Take a look at the trend for the posts per day and comments per day graphs. They’re far more accurate indicators of the level of engagement actual users are having with reddit.
I’ve just checked for 10 of the subs I used to subscribe to, 2 of which have over 30m subscribers - all of them have the same downward trend in terms of posts and comments. I’m not saying reddit is in trouble but less new content is being created and that which is is being talked about less, eventually that will take a toll.
So…I own a .com domain that’s really, really good as far as being lemmy-related (it has lemmy in the name).
Not exactly a s self-hosted question, and I’m an old geek so I can arrange hosting and set things up myself when I have time, but anyone have a guess as to my traffic costs if I decide to turn it into a federated lemmy instance and open it up to the public? Just looking for thoughts and opinions.
I wouldn’t worry about it too much. The per-user traffic costs appear to be low enough that it seems likely you’d be able to sustain the instance on donations, even with a low percentage of altruistic users.
You could also try asking @Ruud.
The fediverse keeps sabotaging itself with instances defederating left and right, that way it’ll never become an alternative regular user would want to join.
Defederation isn’t sabotage. It’s a feature for healthy communities. Anyone that is interested in discussions on either defederated community, will create an account for both.
Anyone that is interested in discussions on either defederated community, will create an account for both.
And that is the reason why reddit is still growing. If you are required to make multiple accounts just to engage with the communities you want to engage with, Lemmy is no better than separate forums. And those all got overshadowed by reddit for a reason.
Lazy users is why Reddit blotted out individual forums.
There is an interesting op-ed adressing the ‘issue’ of ‘lazy users’: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/06/op-ed-why-the-great-twittermigration-didnt-quite-pan-out/
Either way, you won’t convert anyone by attacking them. If you want Lemmy to be able to replace proprietary social media platforms, which is something I want, you have to meet the users’ expectations. The expectation for Lemmy is a Reddit-like experience. But with the fracturing of Lemmy into instances that block each other, normal user will simply stay on Reddit.
Really mobile apps need to make multi-account easy, problem solved.
Honestly, for anyone not particularly tech literate it’s a bit confusing. It’s got Lemmy in the name. It’s the same UI. Most are going to wonder why they’re suddenly logged out or why they need another account. It’s not intuitive if it’s not something you’re particularly used to.
More subscribers… check More comment… maybe check Quality content… nah
I use RSS to get r/selfhosted post and I can guarantee that most posts are amateurs asking questions.
Do what you can to make this the place you want to be.
I agree with all the comments so far but would like to add my own thoughts. Users are not important. Personally I moved to lemmy because the quality of discussion on reddit dropped so much.
This has been my trajectory:
- avid reddit user and content creator there (not sure if the right term) 2016 - 2018
- lurker from 2018 to 2023
- completely dropped reddit and moved to lemmy
My hope is that we can have the same kind of content and discussion in pre 2020 reddit
What do you mean? I’m here!
😁
Network effect and a lot of people are getting into self hosting who don’t even about lemmy.
Soon.
it is good.
the scum stays in the puddle of mud. just like ppl still being on fb or twitter…they create nothing new. and so is r/selfhosted …they will repeat their stacks over and over again. it’s like asking people for advice on music…on myspace in 2023.
Oh come on, that’s not true and you know it. There’s still good people there (in r/selfhosted) posting good stuff.
Edit: specified that I’m talking about r/selfhosted and not MySpace.
because the drain has just started maybe?
oooor, imagine this: they are just nice and yet create nothin new?
when was the last good music recommendation you found on myspace? maybe there are still good music things on but nobody gives a fuck and those still using myspace,fb or r/selfhostes are just pathetic and keep riding a dead horse.
when was the last good music recommendation you found on myspace
I was still talking about r/selfhosted!
me too. reddit, myspace…dead horses. and those that chose to keep on riding it will have a terrible smell
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