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    Also, its good to note that this largest genocide and colonial project in history, took place under representative liberal/bourgeios democracy.

    The fascists could only aspire, and fail to recreate, what the “democracies” of the US, UK, Canada, Australia, and western europe acheived. Yet for some reason you never hear people in these countries express their fear of “becoming a liberal democracy”.

    These people love their system, praise it as superior to others, and fear the anti-colonial world that creates alternatives that exist outside of it, and challenge it.

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    The only reason the allied forces stood up to the nazis is that they were doing a colonialism to europe. Meanwhile, everyone else was ravaging the global south and pacific islands in the exact same manner.

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    The nazis were inspired by the American example. Hitler grew up on cowboy and Indian stories and thought what if we did that to Poland and Russia.

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        Sweden is kind of off the hook since they gave up their colonial enterprise in 1737, when their last overseas colony was taken by the Spaniards.

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        Well, not bad by supporting Italy there and in Greece during WW2. Today people see Germany a secure place for online privacy services like cloud and e-mail servers but I don’t believe a piece in it. Germany is just a liberal capitalist country with one of the best special information services in Europe, that’s all.

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          Germany is just a liberal capitalist country with one of the best special information services in Europe, that’s all.

          They currently support obvious genocide and arrest people who oppose it

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      There’s a difference between the settler colonial project of the US and the extraction colonial projects of France, Spain and the UK. The former requires ethnic cleansing, the latter doesn’t as you want to keep the natives to provide cheap labor for extraction.

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        The slave trade really arose because Europe needed labor after killing all of the natives in the Americas, though. It wasn’t just settler-colonialism, it reinforced and provided the real cause of the slave trade which led up to what we consider true colonialism.

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        The natives usually don’t comply. And when they did, there are many different quotes from them stating they got a lot poorer. When they dont comply, they are massacared.

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    The quote from Tropico 5 game when you get to the World War 2 era sums up my view of the West, including USA, when you have to choose a side: “One is bombing people. The other-- is evil!”

    I have no problem with most ordinary people in the West, but the Western ruling class is purposefully being hypocritical by championing democracy, but deprives it from others when it is convenient for them. From anti-colonial perspective, Western colonialism is bad and brutal, but fascism is more overt so the Western-held colonies chose the lesser evil during the war, even though fascists explicitly state they took inspiration of their ideas and practices from Western colonialism. The eugenics, the sub-humanisation of others, and expansionism as a divine right all came from the West; but somehow when others do it, the West is like “whoah you are going too far!” The same Western hypocrisy is what inspired Putin to invade Ukraine. The US-led West got away with illegal invasions since Iraq, which prompted Putin to think “if they can do it, we can’t I?” If the West really wants rules based order and international law to prevail, they have to practice what they preach.

    The meme of fascism is capitalism when the going gets tough, I have said it since Trump came back to office that fascism is only showing the true face of America. It’s always been like that and the country has never been a democracy since the beginning. People no longer want a fake veneers of decorum and smiles, platitudes and empty promises. They demand authenticity. That’s why Trump was elected because “he tells it like it is”, which it is. People want fewer migrants, you get ICE. People want jobs to come back, you get tariffs. You don’t want anymore illegal foreign interventions? You get isolationism. And yet, when Trump did the things people want, we are like “okay you went too far and that is not what we asked for.” The fascism happening in America right now is removing the mask of fake civility and presenting the true face of the country. To drive home the point further, in the movie The Shining, one of the key themes is the violent history and founding of America, the bartender quipped to villain Jack Torrance “you’ve always been the caretaker.” US has always been the caretaker.

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    Different times in history also. History is full of this stuff.

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    Censored my comment ‘yea, and like china is currently doing’. ML mods are such fragile babies. You use rule 1 to remove anything you don’t like just like the authoritarian regimes. Pitiful

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      No, not even close, to the point that you’re unquestionably doing genocide trivialization. The Europeans slaughtered and enslaved every nation they came across in the Americas, then began fostering colonies around the world, especially in South America, Asia, and Africa. Nothing China is currently doing comes anywhere close to the atrocities of the genocidal US Empire.

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      Exactly! Like when the genocidal see see pee infects minority ethnic groups with small pox and other diseases by contaminating the (checks notes) poverty alleviation they bring… 🤔 /s (in case it’s not obvious)