Turning Point USA spokesman Andrew Kolvet on Saturday said Charlie Kirk’s surgeon called it an “absolute miracle” that the bullet that killed him didn’t exit his body because dozens of people were standing behind him when he was shot.

“I want to address some of the discussion about the lack of an exit wound with Charlie. I’m usually not interested in delving into most of this kind of online chatter, and I apologize this is somewhat graphic, but in this case, the fact that there wasn’t an exit wound is probably another miracle, and I want people to know,” Kolvet, the executive producer of “The Charlie Kirk Show,” wrote in a lengthy post on X.

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    Toilet paper USA confirms that God wanted Charlie Kirk dead so he could use the event to show of his powers a little.

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    It’s so fucking weird the way they are idolizing him and his death.

    Flags at half-staff, people losing their jobs, AI videos of Kirk with Jesus, bills proposing bronze statues of him, and now “his neck miraculously stopped the bullet and saved innocent bystanders”?

    Like I know they don’t really believe any of it, but it’s still so weird. It’s getting to be like North Korea levels of kooky.

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      This is their Blutfahne, their Blood Flag. It’s mythmaking - you just have to get people outraged enough and they’ll believe pretty much anything they’re presented with. I truly believe they had all this in the tank for when Trump keeled over (actually I think they were drawing this up before he nearly bought it in Butler PA), but martyrdom is a POWERFUL force, especially in a critical mass of people who are primed for martyr culture in the way the largely-white-supremacist-flavored American Evangelical communities are. The GOP is pissed that nobody successfully took a shot at Reagan, either Bush, or Trump I, so now they’re latching on in an attempt to get SOME gas on the fire before it burns out.

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    This is literally physically impossible, by the way, to make comport with the current official story.

    There is 0 chance a 30.06 round fired from 150 yards would stop ‘just under the skin’.

    A 30.06 at 500 yards can blow apart the bones of an elk or moose.

    Literally 0 chance that what is being described is physically possible.

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      From what I’ve heard in the endless discourse from unverified sources, he was wearing plates because he was afraid his new stances on a certain topic would get him killed, which is why the sniper went for the neck

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        What you’ve heard is wrong.

        You would have been able to see the outline of plate armor imprinting under his clothes.

        Instead, you can see his nipples poking through his fairly thin white shirt.

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          Would make sense, not going to watch that video again to double check.

          Its been bad enough that I’ve had to spend the past five or so years navigating the internet between ethnic cleansings (there are multiple currently happening, West Papua is being bombed as we speak), war crimes and police killings.

          I’m sure it’s doing wonderful things to the brains of the people actively watching

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            Not only that btw, but the armor needed to stop a 30-06 is NIJ level IV rated, like these. Thick bois. Not only could it have taken out a moose at 5x the distance, at that distance it would have blown through level III plates, much less soft armor that’d be concealable. And none of that helps when the round hits your unarmored neck lol.

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              I have also seen videos of guntubers actually testing the same caliber and range, against a level 4 plate, and they aim the shot at the top edge of the plate, such that it could maybe kind of plausibly do the internet theorized ‘it bounced off his plate into his neck’ test.

              Yeah, the top chunk of the plate breaks off.

              Not even level 4 plate is guaranteed to totally stop a 30.06 at such a close range.

              And we… would have seen a chunk of plate blowing off in the up close, higher res videos.

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        I’ll admit it’s pretty tenuous, but if it at all helps prevent the US’s descent into fascism then I’ll have been right.

        No way to be totally sure without a crystal ball that sees alternate timelines, though.

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          You’re only digging deeper… it’s not likely that killing one man is “but if it at all helps prevent the US’s descent into fascism” noooo… dont even go there. Soon we’ll be rounding political decenters. If he were fascist, His death wouldn’t prevent the US from descending into fascism, especially now that he would be a martyr for fascism. You cant justify murdering someone because they might be indirectly involved in future deaths. He has never promoted violence. No, no excuses why his murder was ok. It was not ok. For anyone.

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            When someone that promotes gun violence and decries justice to its victims dies by gun violence, it’s not a tragedy; it’s poetic justice. Unless you mean it’s alright to live by the sword, but wrong to die by the sword.

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              You’re one who’s been poisoned. He didn’t do anything close to “promote gun violence”, especially to the point of justifying assassinations.

              “It’s not a tragedy; it’s poetic justice.” Such a disgusting take… have you no humanity?

              He certainly didn’t “live by the sword”, he was a debater. Usually a mass-debater. (I had to). If you do anything other than abhor and disapprove of CK’s brutal public assassination, you need to inspect your heart and mind, because something isn’t lining up.

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                Let me ask you, out of curiosity, when people said intolerance must be met with intolerance; what did you think that looked like? Peace? Tears? Or do you even understand the Paradox of Tolerance? All my sympathy goes to the victims and families of the victims of the actual tragedy that happened that day. The school shooting in Colorado. I guess I just have nothing left to spare for a fascist mouth piece.

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                  Oh yuck… oh you ran out of sympathy, or you’re a sociopath. Fair argument is guess.

                  when people said intolerance must be met with intolerance

                  Lol. And who said that? No one, you just made it up, and its not true. Intolerance doesn’t have to be met with Intolerance. The is objectively weak and pathetic. To be clear, exactly what “Intolerance” are we talking about right now?

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    With that logic, God could have stopped it a few inches sooner, but chose not to.

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    Uh. No one was standing behind him.

    And where was this miracle when all those people were killed around Trump? Did they get medals and statues?

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    Since these kinds of people love to shoehorn divine intention into everything, what does that specific case mean?

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      Because he was so pro gun violence, it’s great this bullet is designed to mushroom, carom off the skeleton, and do a little Fantastic Voyage through his interior systems, eviscerating everything in its wake.

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      Either it didn’t, and this is a lie, or the bullet that hit Kirk was not a 30.06 from ~150 yards.

      Somebody is lying here.

      Yes, lower caliber rounds can and do actually do what is being described.

      Not a 30.06. A 30.06 will blow apart a cinder block at that range, easily.

      A 30.06 at 150 yards has about 2200 FT/LBs of kinetic energy.

      A .22lr pistol round is much more likely to do what is being described here… even from less than 50 yards, you’re talking more like 100 FT/LBs of KE.

      A 9mm at less than 50 yards? Around 250 FT/LBs.

      5.56mm? At 150 yards? ~950 FT/LBs.

      Again, a 30.06 at 150 yards is ~2200 FT/LBs.

      The actual physics of fluid dynamics and composite materials do not work with the scenario we are being told happened.

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        You know. I hadn’t thought about that. I’ve seen that round hit a deer, and my thinking before was that it instantly killed the deer sort of like Kirk.

        But that hole was much bigger and it was knocked clear off its feet. Like it got hit by a car.

        Kirk was still sitting upright and the would was far too small.

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          Yeah, I am enough of a gun nerd, and video game /software nerd, that I have actually made more than one milsim level ballistics simulations as mods or sort of toy models from which to then try and optimize down to something that could work in realtime with many players as a reasonably true to life ballistics and player damage / effects model.

          And I’ve also shot a decent bit in real life.

          I actually originally taught myself matrix algebra and transforms simply to be able to properly do richochets as a Source mod, way way back.

          … Maybe not quite the same degree of fidelity as the people that code say, the actual material physics simulations used to model exactly what different tank rounds would do to exactly what kind of tank armor, how much spalling there would be…

          But yeah.

          The scenario we are being presented with is indeed miraculous, as in, it completely defies the laws of physics and is literally impossible.

          Like, the reason world militaries went down from something like a 30.06 as a mainline infantry combat round, down to something closer to a 5.56 … is that a 30.06 is massive overkill when it comes to killing a human.

          You do not need that much power, you rarely need that much range, that much recoil, you can down caliber and still be very deadly, but also now your soldiers have a lighter weapon, more ammo, and can more easily get off multiple, accurate, lethal shots in a shorter time frame.

          You do not need your entire armed force to be equipped with roughly ‘sniper rifles’.

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      He was not declared dead at the scene, Trump was actually the person who broke the news that Kirk was dead, about an hour after the shooting, maybe 45 to 30 minutes after Kirk arrived at the hospital… he was reported as in critical condition, but likely already dead…

      …but uh yeah, yeah it would be nice to know who this surgeon was, or, you know, maybe get us a fucking autopsy report?

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    The flesh of some dweeb’s neck ain’t stopping a .30-06, that round would have near decapitated him.
    Maybe a pistol caliber, maybe sub-sonic pistol bullet would stop in his flesh, but not a rifle round.
    That kid didn’t shoot Charlie. That kid is the fall guy.