is facebookification a word? I am so sad to see this happen as a long time user of Reddit, been on there for…god, 11 years according to my profile awards. I see a lot of people saying this is the end of Reddit but I have to disagree, it is more like a new age. Reddit will now only be used by people who are fine with getting absolutely fucked with ads and close to nil moderation. I imagine it will be a husk of what it once was - it’ll look the same but I’m sure it will just be repost land. It wasn’t hard to see this coming, but I can’t help but feel a sadness.
Do I need to go outside more? Probably.
RIP
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I’ve been using this term a LOT since coming across that Medium article.
Wow, thanks for teaching me this term! Fuck capitalism!
Check out this essay from Cory Doctorow, the guy who coined the word. https://pluralistic.net/2023/01/21/potemkin-ai/
Does this mean “shittification” and “enshittification” mean the same thing like “valuable” and “invaluable” mean the same thing?
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Cory Doctorow is clever, but nobody ever said he was smart. I remember being at a talk where he said the original point of Napster was to sell music and I did a double take. Like dude, you lived through this, how did you already forget?
With the Fediverse slowly gaining steam, I’ve been thinking a lot about the structural problems with the big social media platforms of old. I really feel like we set ourselves up for this outcome. Of course Facebook, Twitter, and Reddit were going to let us down sooner or later. We placed our trust in private centralized companies to stay good on their ethics. The moment money even entered the discourse in those spaces, they were doomed to become what they are now. I really hope Lemmy and Mastodon and Frendica and Peertube and the other Fediverse platforms can gain popularity. We have a real chance here to build social media from the ground up, but this time with the long term ethics in mind. I really think this decentralized structure can allow us to keep more transparency and allow for smaller feeling communities to thrive without being subject to tyrannical administration.
Edit: Corrected “momey” to “money”. Really sounded like a weird fetish there, I am sorry. Momey is not entering the discourse in any spaces, thank you very much.
Any time I talk about decentralized apps to friends and family I come across as some kind of conspiracy driven weirdo. I do not understand why decentralization comes across as some kind of extreme radical movement. I’m not protesting or anything, everything else just sucks lol
Maybe use familiar terms? Skip the tech jargon, and go straight to things like “Reddit and Twitter and Facebook are boring old media with crappy apps and adds everywhere; the cool kids are now hanging out on Mastadon and Lemmy”. But you have to really own it.
“Decentralized” means nothing to most people, or worse has been associated with crypto scams, and the stereotypical Bitcoin proselytizer. The truth is, most people can’t handle all that information.
You have to appeal to emotion. Statements like “decentralization prevents interference by third parties… Blablabla” will just go over people’s heads if they can’t relate to an abstract concept. Say something like “My family/friends in /country/ can’t buy anything with their local currency because of hyperinflation, so now they all us USD or even Bitcoin” instead. That will appeal to people’s emotions.
In the case of the fediverse an appeal to emotion might look like “Reddit has just turned to shit. It’s not the platform I first joined. A lot of us have moved to Lemmy and it reminds us of when we first joined Reddit.”
Also, just don’t push the subject. Some people are not ready to follow you. Let people figure out the benefits at their own pace. Otherwise they get defensive, and you’ll do more to make yourself look like a crazy from that place than to convince.
Also there’s two facts that can be used to our advantage: the internet started out non-corporate and decentralized, and it’s the for-profit corporate nature of these companies that’s causing the enshittification. So you can just say that you like stuff that goes back to the old good days of the internet and don’t like being under the control of greedy corporations.
It’s because everything is buzzwords these days. They just think decentralized is another buzzword rather than a legitimate descriptor. I blame crypto.
Crypto is decentralized, though. It’s an honest way of describing it. I think that more to blame are the specific crypto users who gave it a “bad name” with their shenanigans and equally the people who took that as an excuse to dump on crypto in general.
Yeah I should have been clearer, it would have been more accurate to say I blame cryptobros.
I’ve been trying to tell my friends about the fediverse and how happy I am using it and why I deleted my twitter account etc etc. Every time I bring it up I feel like it’s very quickly dismissed as this weird nerdy thing that only I care about.
Some people only join stuff that seems mainstream and cool. You can chart Twitter growth with fans of Oprah and Donald Trump joining: before Oprah it was absolutely a nerdy thing, after I was surprised how many random average people from all walks of life had shown up. I’m talking like startup bros to fast food cashiers overnight.
Fuck Spez Fuck reddit.
Reddit will be defunct in next few years
Absolutely unreal. This should seal the fate of Reddit.
I have over a decade on Reddit across several accounts and if I can’t use Sync on Android or Apollo on iOS then I just wont even browse on mobile. They already killed i.reddit and compact, their browser experience is intentionally shit to try and get you to install their app.
If the day ever comes that old.reddit is shut down I will overwrite all of my comments and delete my account
Sync announced a shutdown as well.
I’m pissed, I’ve been using Sync for a decade.
I’m not too surprised that Reddit would go so far as to lie about somebody blackmailing them. This is a disgusting thing to do to someone who’s bringing people to your website.
RIF is closing down too. I’m using Sync for more than 8 years and it has not been yet announced but it will certainly shutdown too 😔
The Sync dev has announced that it will be shutting done too.
You forgot my boi Infinity
Infinity is goated, completely open source!
Stealth (on f-droid) has a web scrapper mode that should work over the api changes. Can someone confirm?
Not sure what QuantumBadger is going to do with RedReader but I’d follow suit tbh :(
My wife uses reddit, and couldn’t be bothered to use anything other than the official app. Sadly she’s in the majority with this. I’d say somewhere between 5-20% of mobile only/heavy reddit users will end up over here, and that’s heavily dependent on whether or not the subreddits that they like come over here too. I see far too much content for the moment just linking back to reddit
The question is: Are users like your wife submitting popular content, or are they mostly consumers? If nobody submits good content, there is nothing to consume.
A lot of Reddit mods rely on third party apps though, as the modding tools in the native app are garbage. I foresee another exodus of users as the modding quality declines and subs start turning into dumpster fires of spam
this is the key. it doesnt really matter how many regular users rely on 3rd party apps, when the percentage of mods that use them is considerably higher. (In fact I would guess if 5% of regular users use 3rd party apps, probably 5% of mods use official reddit app)
and without the free help that reddit have relied on for years, the place falls apart.
I’ve been a Reddit user for many years. It was a great run but I’m moving here. For now I’m missing quit a few favorite communities but that should improve with time.
I’m hopeful that will be the case too, I’m just worried about the learning curve (even if it’s slight) to get into lemmy
If there is even small scale organized move to Lemmy with the best mods and content posters, there won’t be much to worry about. I’d be more worried about moving too fast and destroying the servers/network effect accelerating with the influx of meme spam. You see what happened to just about every large subreddit becoming a low quality content cesspool perpetuated by the hive mind. I love Reddit but it’s hard to watch communities need to migrate to niche or private subreddits.
Right now I think everyone agrees there is no rea Reddit substitute, so Lemmy is the main landing spot. So long as we don’t get bored here conversing with a smaller population, Reddit doesn’t do a complete about face, and Lenny’s servers don’t crash and burn - I think time will help work things out.
Obligatory “f-ck Spez” and their silly little AI training thing
Their what now? What did I miss?
Instead of closing down it would be cool for 3rd party apps to switch to Lemmy but I know it would be a lot of work.
The Apollo dev mentioned something like this but said he is burned out and had no interest in starting a competing thing.
He said that about making a Reddit competitor not about using lemmy API
The more I dive the worse it smells. Willing to bet this situation would be less worse if they just came out and said “Alright guys sorry but we’re banning 3rd party apps”, instead they make more and more lies
I suspect the reason they did that is that it might leave them open to anti-trust action. But if the price is just too high? Oh well, guess them’s the breaks.
Just deleted all my Reddit accounts! Another social media to forget about… 🥱
I just did that too, first I deleted all my posts and comments after that the account went away.
I also just signed up for Lemmy because of this announcement. I assume there are going to be at least a small number of people transitioning to Lemmy over the coming weeks. At least if the response from so many that they’re leaving Reddit entirely is anything to go by.
Sad day, I’ve been using Apollo for years 😭
It’s a beautiful app. Disappointing it’ll just go to waste rather than try to interface it with the Fediverse.
Has there been any official rationale for this? It seems like a waste. It can’t be that hard to do, and while the fediverse may not be huge yet, most of its users are the type of power users it would clearly appeal to.
Probably doesn’t feel motivated enough to rewrite the backend. Lemmy is still small and it’s not 100% clear what will even happen when the main exodus occurs.
Plus he’s got at least one other app he’s advertising now.
Same. I returned to iPhone just so I could have it back awhile ago. Could never find anything as good on Android.
