• @Vespair@lemm.ee
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    I agree with the sentiment that loli shit is disgusting, but the problem is that so many of you sexless prudes go in looking for shit to be offended by and start projecting onto shit that’s fine. Like the character Kusano in Sekirei is fully gross, a disgusting pedo-bait character that simply should not exist in the story, period. That shit should absolutely be rallied against.

    But then y’all bring up shit like Momo from MHA like it’s the same thing. It’s fucking not, at all. A post or near post-adolescent character wearing titillating attire in much the same way that comparable real life pop stars do is just not even remotely on the same level as actual children being depicted as sexual viable partners, especially in the context of a story like MHA where the protag is a literal high schooler expressing romantic interest in his age-appropriate peers.

    And “glorifying unhealthy relationships” is fine enough critique I suppose but one that hardly applies solely, or even primarily, to manga and anime.

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      And “glorifying unhealthy relationships” is fine enough critique I suppose but one that hardly applies solely, or even primarily, to manga and anime.

      Almost every rom-com I can think of.

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        Half the drama in all romance, not just rom-coms, would be entirely avoided if relevant characters were engaging in healthy adult communication. Anime is far from the worst offender in the unhealthy relationships regard.

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    Reposting from the last time this subject came up

    Bolded titles are my top recs. Series listed in chronological order of my seeing them:

    Steins;Gate (correction: episode 8 unfortunately has one character grope another one. Everyone rightfully calls him out for being a creepass)

    Castlevania (shut up yes it is)

    Vivy: Fluorite Eyes Song

    Violet Evergarden (not the movie)

    Hyouka (skip the ova)

    Belle

    A Silent Voice

    Baccano

    Deca-dence

    Trigun

    Akudama Drive

    ACCA: 13 Territory Inspection Dept.

    Fullmetal Alchemist

    Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood

    Spy Family

    Mushishi

    5 Centimeters Per Second

    Afro Samurai

    Your Lie In April

    Nichijou

    Odd Taxi

    Cowboy Bebop

    Canaan

    Sk8 the Infinity

    Supercrooks

    Bocchi the Rock

    House of Five Leaves

    Weathering With You

    Haibane Renmei

    Samurai Flamenco

    BNA

    Redline

    Planetes

    Last Exile

    Witch Hunter Robin

    Noir

    Wolf’s Rain

    Boogiepop Phantom

    Boogiepop And Others

    Ghost In The Shell (all timelines)

    Niea_7

    Serial Experiments Lain

    Megalo Box

    Bakumatsu Kikansetsu Irohanihoheto

    Samurai Champloo

    Bubblegum Crisis

    Ergo Proxy

    Read Or Die (OVA and The TV)

    Madlax

    Moribito

    Xam’d: Lost Memories

    Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind

    Kyousougiga

    Orb: On the Movements of the Earth

    Cyberpunk Edgerunners

    Sonny Boy

    Kiki’s Delivery Service

    Thus concludes the exhaustive list of animes I’ve watched where I didn’t have to put up with any sexualization of minors

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    Working in manga, the amount of titles I have to throw out of consideration for licensing because of these issues is insane

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    I find that if you want good anime recommendations, the recommendation must come from someone that doesn’t like anime. Anime fans tend to be really out of touch with certain baselines… like not being an open pervert.(I’ve seen that hentai hoodie, don’t lie.) Also people who don’t like anime can distinguish between “good for an anime” and “good”.

    So I offer mine: Cyberpunk Edgerunners and Spirited Away.

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      Anime fans tend to be really out of touch with certain baselines… like not being an open pervert.

      Part of the problem with recommending anime is that if all you care about is eliminating prev, you’re going to miss some gems.

      Like, are you really going to hang Evangelion out to dry? Are you tossing Sailor Moon and Card Capture Sakura in the dumpster over some skimpy outfits? Kill a Kill is crazy pervy, but it’s also an incredible ride.

      So I offer mine: Spirited Away.

      Miyazaki is a treasure. But imagine passing on Kiki’s Delivery Service or Princess Monanoke.

      and Cyberpunk Edgerunners

      Rebecca alone. Come on. How is that not underaged sexualization.

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        Haven’t watched the other miyazaki movies so I’m not the person to recommend them.

        And Rebecca is very obviously not a child. She’s just short. She literally gave a dude a blow job barely off screen no way would that shit fly if she was a minor. Lol.

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        I watched Edgerunners a few weeks ago, and I was kinda surprised by how little Rebecca bothered me. Aside from her introduction, she isn’t sexualized any more than any other female character except Dorio, and her personality really clashes with her character design. Visually she looks young, but actually watching the show, she didn’t really read as child-coded to me

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      I completely agree with this.

      I’m not an ‘anime fan,’ but there is good anime out there like Paprika and Aku no Hana. They really push what the medium is capable of and don’t just rely on tropes to appease people with low standards.

      It’s tough to recommend anime to some people because their opinion of the medium has been tainted by anime fans that will accept whatever slop is shoveled in front of their face.

    • @PieMePlenty@lemmy.world
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      As a not anime fan, mine were Samurai Champloo, Bleach (though I stopped 100 episodes in), Cowboy Bebop. Also all of Ghibli.

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    • JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure (Please start on part one)
    • Outlaw Star
    • Trigun
    • Cowboy Bebop
    • Space Dandy
    • Panty and Stocking with Garderbelt
    • Mob Psycho 100
    • Samurai Champloo
    • Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood
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    I’ve been keeping my eye out for anime I can watch with my early teen daughter, and the intersection between good anime and anime that doesn’t require ample amounts of jiggle physics is fairly small.

    The list is pretty much:

    • Mashle
    • Dragon Goes House Hunting
    • Cells at Work
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        Damn, you beat me to it. Mushi Shi is an unfinished masterpiece and severely underrated. I had some I wanted to add to this list, but honestly some have blood and such which I don’t know exactly what you’d want for an early teens daughter. I would have recommended Delicious in Dungeon, but there are some dismemberment scenes and it sort of downplays death, as you can and can’t die in the dungeon. Lemme try to see what I can dig up from my history though.

        • Kimi ni Todoke - It is romance, but its so fluffy and goes lightly into what bullying can do to people as well as showing that people are not always who they seem on the outside. Touches on judging others, but remains extremely lighthearted.
        • Saiki K - One of the few anime that has made me legitimately laugh. It’s nonsensical and good for most ages. I’m usually a romance buff, but this one drew me in when I curiously watched the first episode.
        • Spice and Wolf - I watched the original and started the remake. I think either should be fine. Great adventure story with a bit of romance.
        • Ballroom Youkoso - So this will fall a bit into the unhealthy relationships. I can’t remember if there was any nudity, but it does stem from the viewpoint of a hormonal teenage boy. However, the art of the dancing is absolutely stunning. Just beware the necks. Iirc, there are crazy long necks in this one, lol.
        • Yuri on Ice - Similar to Ballroom Youkoso, but has a bit of an unhealthy relationship as a side story, iirc. I haven’t seen it all, just a bit of it and can’t remember much. I really enjoyed the skating scenes, which are very similar to the dancing scenes in Ballroom. It is a boys’ love, but that’s not the main point of the anime.
        • Spy x Family - Haven’t seen it all, but what I have seen is great and seems good for younger generations.
        • Arakawa Under the Bridge - Okay, this may be a bit much at times, but damn if its not hilarious and mysterious. There is some non-showy nudity, I think, but its more like bathing and such, nothing extreme.
        • Dr. Stone - This should be all around a good pick for multiple ages. Apocalyptic scenario with reinventing the wheel as the theme.
        • Cells at Work! - Another one I’ve seen little of, but it was pretty good and teaches a fair bit about the internal human anatomy.
        • Silver Spoon - Anime based around farming. It’s a happy little anime with a bit of serious undertones for the background of the characters. Made by the creator of Full Metal Alchemist. I would also recommend FMA, but there may be some parts of that anime that could be a bit scary for younger teens.
        • Komi Can’t Communicate - Another good romance base. It starts around misunderstandings and the fear of speaking in public, but devolves later into just a regular slapstick romcom. However, that’s mostly in the manga where it goes far beyond the anime.
        • My Hero Academia - I did get into this for a bit, but it sorta fell off my radar for no particular reason.
        • Frieren: Journey’s End - Have not watched all of this, but the first 3 episodes were amazing and the story is endearing as well as very emotional. A great adventure with a touch of tragedy, but it seems well recommended for all ages.

        I have many more, but I have watched a disgusting amount of anime and can’t remember everything. I’ve been watching anime and reading manga since 2006, lol. Please, anyone correct me on any of these. My memory is hazy, especially when it comes to older anime I watched a long time ago.

    • @jacksilver@lemmy.world
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      Yeah, it’s definitely hard. A couple I can think of:

      • Tri-Gun
      • Delicious in Dungeon
      • Dr. Stone
      • Cowboy Bebop
      • Fullmetal Alchemist (I think is mostly safe)
      • DBZ (Mostly safe, I think Dragonball has some questionable stuff)
      • Komi can’t communicate (relationships seem mostly okay)
      • One punchman
      • Mon Pyscho
      • Steins Gate
      • Kinos Journey

      The real issue is finding an anime that doesn’t oversexualize anyone and still has lead female characters. If you’re looking for early teen I think the US actually makes better shows:

      • Gravity Falls
      • Amphibia
      • Star vs Forces of evil
      • Infinity Train
      • Young Justice

      There’s more I could recommend, but for a teenager daughter those all probably have better plot, character development, and female leads than most of what I can think of for anime (although being a guy there are probably a number of anime I’m just not aware of).

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          Oh yeah, but I guess I was giving it a pass cause it goes both ways. Both the women and men have ridiculous designs.

          Also, even though they definitely feel sexual, the actual dialogue doesn’t focus on it too much (at least from what I can recall). It helps that the main character is really only interested in science.

          Edit: It also has the issue that pretty much every major character is a guy.

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            Edit: It also has the issue that pretty much every major character is a guy.

            Yeah, is always annoying when you’ve got the trope of

            • The explorer
            • The warrior
            • The inventor
            • The girl

            Like gender is a class and not half the population.

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              Doesn’t that count for a lot of artists?

              Pretty sure in Japan it’s a trope that mangaka would do Hentai dude projects under a different name. I would judge an anime/manga on its content, and not by something unrelated.

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        I just wanna point out that while cowboy bebop is incredible, Fae Valentine’s outfit is skimpy to the point that she’s wandering around with her shorts unbuttoned in basically every scene where she’s not in a disguise (and she’s only staying in that top through the power of double-sided tape). By modern standards it’s really not great towards the women characters (except possibly ed).

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        There are concubines, brothels, and child sexual abuse in that one. Not the most racy depictions, but still 🤷🏿‍♀️

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            To be honest, everyone in the brothel (except for one character that’s not seen often) seems to be vibing and happy with their professions. Some even openly say they like their jobs, so it’s not all doom and gloom. Maomao herself seems indifferent to the possibility of her joining the brothel as a working girl. The child abuse is not shown explicitly, but it is talked about pretty often and it’s pretty blunt about what happened and the reprocussions of it. So nothing graphic, just some busty women here and there.

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      There’s a number of shoujo anime that would fit your list, but it doesn’t make it overseas because the majority of the foreign fan base doesn’t like it. There’s also a bunch of BL anime and manga that is popular in Japan, but not outside for the same reason. For example, take a look at “Aishiteruze Baby”

    • It’s been a while since I’ve seen some of these, so you should probably look into them before watching with your kid, but hopefully it’s a good starting point

      Vivy: Fluorite Eyes Song

      Hyouka (skip the ova)

      Belle

      Trigun

      ACCA: 13 Territory Inspection Dept. (may be a bit boring for a teenager)

      Mushishi (also may be boring for a teenager)

      Nichijou

      Bocchi the Rock

      Weathering With You

      Haibane Renmei (very heavy emotional themes, bit of violence in the first episode, some references to self harm)

      Bakumatsu Kikansetsu Irohanihoheto

      Moribito

      Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind

      The entirety of Studio Ghibli’s work

    • @LordKitsuna@lemmy.world
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      Surprisingly most of the anime with " villainess" in the title are both good and more wholesome focused. Many have relationship aspects but they don’t rely on fanservice. snow white with the red hair is also good in that respect

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      It’s got plenty of unhealthy relationships but addressing and untangling those relationships is like, the core of the plot so yeah I think it for sure passes.

      Edit: Well actually, it does have one kind of contrived sauna scene between two of the women that feels very fan-servicy but is only a minute or so long. And the chest design of the main “monster” is arguably fan service too (There’s even a one-liner gag about it the first time it’s seen). But generally pretty tame and both of those moments are related to a crush one of the characters has.

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    Would Friren count? Romance of the two teens are age appropriate for them. And two dudes that are enamoured with older women, but I think that’s it.

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      I’m waiting for the canonical reason why the female elves look like children while the one male elf we’ve met is drawn like a grown man. And I really hope it’s not that their brain outpaces their body because then we’re in the “5000 year old witch in a child’s body” trope.

      If this is addressed in the manga, no spoilers plz beyond a simple “Yes, it is.”

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        I’d assume it’s because the only male elf is older? Idk this feels like looking for inappropriate intentions because you want there to be one.

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            I mean, we have a sample size of 3 (in the anime anyway), and don’t actually know for certain how old any of them are. The only thing we really know is that Frieren is likely the youngest.

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          I’m sorry if my critical exploration of anime I enjoy makes you feel defensive but I literally just explained why I think that would be the worst reason. Don’t worry no one’s canceling Freiren, we’re just having a chat.

          “Adult elf bodies reflect their own self-image” would be pretty cool. Especially for the monk.

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        The issue is we’ve encountered so few elves that it’s impossible to say really anything about them as a whole. Maybe that is just how female elves look, maybe frieren and serie are just weird, or something else. But either way, we’re basically just going on what little we’ve been shown which could change later.

        Personally though, I don’t actually mind the 1000 years old but looks like a child trope if it’s not using it as an excuse to sexualuzed the character. Which they really aren’t doing here.

        And on the other hand, I also don’t think Frieren looks like a kid. This is pretty common, I’ll see people point out a character who’s a bit short and sometimes flat (though that’s not always the case even) and say that they look like a kid while I don’t see it. So I don’t know if it’s me or what. Serie does look more like a kid to me though.

        But we get back to the fact that she’s not being sexualuzed anyway, so again, I don’t personally take issue with it.

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      If I wanted to be really nitpicky, they do pay extra attention to Fern’s chest after she grows up. And some of the shots can be a little “male pov.” This is not a diss to the show. I really, really enjoyed this series and would absolutely recommend it.

      • You could see her as that trope, but I really don’t think she fits the “loli” description. Lord knows I’m not about to google “loli” to check how closely she resembles one, but I’m pretty sure she’s a rare example of an actually short woman

  • @SaWaGaAz@lemmy.world
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    Anime:

    Hana to Alice: Satsujin Jiken

    Irozuku Sekai no Ashita Kara

    Mob Psycho 100

    Net-juu no Susume

    Ping Pong

    Yuru Camp (avoid the onsen scenes)

    Manga:

    Bonnouji

    Dad, the Beard Gorilla, and I

    Futari Ashita mo Sorenari ni

    Hoshi Mamoru Inu

    How Pathetic We Are

    I Sold My Life for 10,000 Yen per Year

    Karakai Jouzou no (Moto) Takagi-san

    Yotsubato

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    I tried watching Dragon Ball but couldn’t take that old guy sexualizing a teen. Explicitly saying he wanted to touch her boobs

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      Having read through DragonBall recently, yeah the really early stuff is very lewd and perverted. By the start of the Z saga it’s basically gone from what I remember. So it’s very jarring.

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        Nichijou is awesome. Funny thing tho, it’s actually where I learned the word “moe”. There’s this part where Hakase is wearing these furry ears? or gloves? or something like that, and doing a funny pose. And her robot friend is like: “but that’s moe!” and the subtitles didn’t translate it any further, so I had to look it up.

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      Delicious in Dungeon, Frieren, Hands off my Eizouken, and Bocchi the Rock probably

      Edited to add Spy x Family, and I suppose Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood depending on if one feels Winry is sexualized.

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        As much as I fuckin love Frieren they totally sexualize Fern when she’s under 18, though tbh it does feel less gross than usual considering how clothed she is & the weird relationship she has with her master

        Frieren is suuuuuper jealous of Fern once she starts developing (with the show repeatedly using camera angles to show it) and Fern’s 18th birthday is in the later half of the first season. It was funny and rather realistic having been around girls that behaved like that, but as an adult man it was obvious the camera had a serious liking of staring at Fern’s chest whenever it could

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          I don’t remember Fern being sexualized or the camera lingering weirdly… Only that they give Frieren the typical chest envy, and have Fern fill out quite well in contrast, but that’s played as a joke I’d say.

          But it could also be that I’m desensitized, having seen so much actual straight up fan service by now.

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          Hmm, I don’t remember that, so maybe I should rewatch it. I did name 4 when the illustration showed 3 haha.

      • @abbadon420@lemm.ee
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        My daughter (11) wants to watch more anime than what’s on Netflix. Are these good for girls that age, you’d guess?

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          I mentioned it above, but i think you should check out “campfire cooking in a strange world with my unique skill.” There’s some monster violence but no people get hurt, for what that’s worth. Overall, thematically, it’s very light and comedic. There might be a few curse words but nothing crazy i don’t think…

          i wasn’t watching it with the lens of how it would be for children so your mileage may vary, but it was very light-hearted and silly.

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          If she has creative passions, she might love Hands Off My Eizouken. It’s a show about 3 high school girls who start their own anime club, and work on making a short animation for their first project. The girls are all just girls, weird fun gremlins, whacky passionate kids who want to make something cool together. I can’t remember anything problematic, they even managed to avoid sexualizing a bath episode, but you should screen it first obviously.

          Bocchi would be great for any kid who has had or does have trouble fitting in due to being quirky or different, and has a similar premise of girls getting together to be creative but a different (but also good) vibe.

          Agreeing with the other posters that Frieren wouldn’t be a good choice yet. Delicious in Dungeon might be, but that would be kid dependent and another you would want to screen first to see how you think she’d take it. The tone is mostly light and goofy but there are definitely some scary moments in there.

          Missingno mentioned Little Witch Academia and I would absolutely second that, it’s cute and wholesome and definitely appropriate for kids

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        Maybe Saihate No Paladin, Nichijou, and Azumanga Daioh as well.

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          It’s so good! It’s one of my absolute favorites too. The highschool girls are just all believable and grounded characters with real personalities and quirks. The whole thing is really well done.

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          It’s a great show but Winry does wear unnecessarily revealing clothes. I guess a big deal isn’t made out of it. The one that’s a major omission is Spy X Family actually

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              She was specifically drawn that way, it’s not like it was an accident. I acknowledge in her case it’s subjective though because I can’t remember any gratuitous angles and they don’t really focus on it.

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                You … DO realize that kind of judgement is merely a slightly more benign version of the same misogyny as the, “look what she was wearing! She was asking for it” type of thinking, right…? You realize at least some women choose to look pretty without wanting to be oggled or abused, right?

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                  Women with large breasts and slim frames just exist as human beings in reality, but when it’s drawn in anime it’s a choice. Having the “camera” focus on upskirt shots or side boob is a choice. Animating boob bounce is a choice. So a 15 year old depicted in micro skirts and a bandeau, that has a bath scene and a scene where she takes her top off is a choice. This is in the context of a thread talking about anime sexualizing minors. If Winry was a living, breathing girl, she could make those choices herself, in the privacy of her own life, but this is an anime character where she was specifically drawn that way in an industry that is overwhelmingly male dominated. FMA:B IS a very good show, and Winry is a real character with actual traits and a personality, but pretending that all of these design and story decisions weren’t made on purpose by people who almost certainly were adult men is naive.

                  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aAOegc0ezGk&pp=ygUQd2lucnkgYmF0aCBzY2VuZdIHCQmNCQGHKiGM7w%3D%3D

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      Full metal Alchemist is my bet.

      Otherwise I know a lot of good animes but they tend to glorify unhealthy relationships looks at the space cowboy murdering people.

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        The entire plot revolves around Guts’ unhealthy relationship with Griffith. And there are 2 underage looking characters that want to steal Guts from him.

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      Monster was pretty good. 🤷‍♀️

      EDIT Shit someone already did that one.

      Uh.

      Uh!

      Shigurui didn’t have any weird relationship shit I don’t think??

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          The one enemy that appears briefly before getting beaten up into oblivion?

          I agree that a lot of dark stuff happens in Jojo (heck, the protagonist of the 5th saga is a mafia boss), maybe it’s best for mature audiences.

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      Silent voice, your name, weathering with you and everything from studio ghibli (I personally love porco rosso)

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      Eden of the East I think fits. There’s definitely unhealthy relationships, but they’re not glorified by any means, quite the opposite in fact.

      One of my favs personally, short enough to jump in and finish easily as well for new viewers.