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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/29061644
We’ve done it, we got rid of another soulless right wing politician!
Peter Dutton first made his party lose this election and now also lost his own seat much like Pierre Pullover
We’ve still got a government that green-lit new coal power plants in it’s last term, screwed over the Aboriginal community with a poorly run referendum, and still doesn’t give a shit about climate change, but baby steps hey.
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We have a basic rule that the headline must match the article. Current headline reads:
“Peter Dutton to leave Coalition leaderless, conceding he has lost his seat of Dickson”
I’ll give you a fair shot to correct it before just removing it.
Done. Only because I respect you.
It doesn’t make sense that rule. But you’ll disagree anyway and there’s never a chance of winning a mod argument anyway.
The article headline you want is pointless and meaningless to the 99% of the world who visits this.
Peter Dutton to leave Coalition leaderless, conceding he has lost his seat of Dickson
I added context and a little bit of juice to it so it would make for a better headline for non-Australians. Did I add some anti Trump sentiment? Sure. Did that misconstrue the content of the article? No.
I understand the current rule makes it easy to mod the place, but it also means you don’t let the OP add context for Lemmy. The rule should be: you can’t misconstrue the content of the article.
Anyway, I appreciate all you mods do and I respect the rules that are in place.
I disagree.
Not modifying headings is a fairly universal rule.
Making it “easier to mod” is an understatement. If you let people “adapt titles to be more suitable for lemmy” or whatever you did, then you’ll spend all day having arguments about what adoptions are appropriate. It’s unworkable with volunteer mods.
It’s so pathetic that the top comment chain is discussing this pedantic issue instead of the actual article. Thank god for this moderation or my experience may have been slightly degraded.
It’s a pretty fundamental aspect of content aggregators. If posters editorialise the articles they post it becomes an echochamber for a very confined range of opinions.
Counterpoint. I posted an article from the Australian national broadcaster. They have their flaws but they aint breitbart.
While I sensationalised the title and added my 2 cents in the original OP I cross posted to this community, I linked to a nice source and created a more world context friendly title, yet far from disingenuous click bait.
The upvotes and the comments are largely based on that.
What this rule is currently accomplishing:
- people will just post sensationalist sources with clickbaity titles and questionable journalism
- or people will create sensationalist titles for neutral higher quality sources and then the top comment is always going to be about this level of virtue signalling.
What’s the point of a community if these are the rules? You’re asking for bad sources and at best or you’re just a comment section provider for legacy media.
Why has everyone started saying “counterpoint” all of a sudden. Every comment is a counterpoint.
Counterpoint. Hopefully people aren’t idiots that upvote sensational headlines.
Counterpoint. Everything I already said.
Counterpoint. You could make your own community where people sensationalise headlines.
Counterpoint: I haven’t noticed that being a trend until this thread.
Didn’t say moderation isn’t necessary, it is. What I said is it’s sad the top comment chain is about moderation.
I opened this post to read comments out of curiosity, I still don’t even know the context of this article because the top comment is about the title which I find sad.
If only there was some way to determine which content was shown on your device.
Like when there’s too much content to show at once, maybe it could be organised in a tall “page” and you could jump around to read different comments.
Although it would be tall enough it’s more like a scroll I guess. You could “zoom” up or down the scroll and read those comments you found interesting or engaging.
Actually, maybe you could get users to promote those comments they found most interesting and demote others.
It’s a shame nothing like this exists.
If only there was some way to determine which content was shown on your device.
Not really sure how to filter posts whose top comment is regarding moderation, pretty damn specific filter. Then again your comment is a large giant nothing burger that continues to ignore the point I’m attempting to emphasize so I don’t think you really thought it through in the first place.
Thanks @kingofras@lemmy.world ! I know the rules are a pain, but really it helps prevent shitposting. Imagine coming into a community and just seeing variations on “xxx is a dumbass/shithead/etc. etc.” all the way down. :)
All good. Thanks for all you do around here!
Your original headline was better. New one makes no sense to me M
Just remove it.
People who do this shit are actively making this place worse.
Lol “the people actually making content are the problem” y’all are fucking clowns.
Can we just be loose with the moderation while the “top” posts don’t even get 2k upvotes.
It gave lemmy content, it led to engaging discussions, who tf cares if the title is bad.
Jesus Christ I don’t understand this mentality
You’ve made 3 posts in 2 years, op contributed to more fediverse in a day than you did in two years.
You really want to make this place better, then quit your bitchin or contribute more and your bitchin will be more understandable
Editorialized titles distract from the content. There’s enough crazy ass shit happening globally that the added sensationalism isn’t necessary.
Either way, maybe calm down a bit lmao.
maybe calm down a bit
While my tone wasn’t cordial it also wasn’t ALL CAPS SAYING KYS
You may be projecting a bit?
Regardless I’ve seen this garbage take on lemmy enough that I’m not going to politely point out the fault. I’ll check their Lemmy contributions and call them fucking clowns if they are saying silly shit like “remove content me no likey for pendantic reasons” while contributing nothing to posts.
It’s alotta reddit entitlement and I will attempt to call it out when i see it and I’m not going to be pleasant about it
K
If you take an article title directly from a local newspaper and post it verbatim on World News, nobody will know what the fuck it’s about and regardless of its content, it won’t see the light of day. It’s important that the article title is relevant to the audience.
Okay, provided and example of this.
Jfc, it’s like I’m talking to kids lol.
Having civilized discourse on a topic is not childish. I’m sorry you feel that way.
At your service.
That’s what I thought about you when I read your message.
Man fuck em, thank you for adding to the fediverse OP! You should look at non .world communities. .world is the more shitty instance filled with “um actually…” Style users and mods
This forward progress to the human race is brought to you by the color ORANGE.
We proudly demonstrated to the world the proper direction to go.
Our loss is your gain.
It must be stated that the Labor party here are anything but progressive. They are centre-right by the most recent assessment of their values and support a variety of cunts in toxic industries who fund their campaigns.
The libs (our very right wing major party) ran an exceptionally incompetent campaign, with Dutton as a key soulless idiot who can’t admit to mistakes when it hits him in the face. They had a bit of headwind from the global anti Trump sentiment, but it wasn’t like we were in the same situation like Canada.
Regionally we already ARE the 51st state of the USA, because we provide them with much needed Southern Hemisphere intelligence bases which Australians have no right to visit, and they are our protector against any major military threat in the region.
It’s a minor victory for any progressive minded person, as any mention of action on the climate emergency was stupifyingly absent from the entire campaign.
It must be stated that the Labor party here are anything but progressive.
Coming from a Lemming this means less than nothing.
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot mate?!?
A very nice change of recent trends across the world
I’m glad our fuck up in the US is inspiring others to step back from the edge. It’s at least a silver lining I can console myself with while everything crumbles around me.
The front fell off.
That’s not very typical.
Man the fact that we’re at the stage of posting an image with a caption within a frame on a wall within a picture within a comment within a forum is kind of fucking with me just a little bit.
Somebody screencap this whole situation and post it on Mastodon and Bluesky, then take a screenshot of that and post it back here on Lemmy.
Congratulations Australians!
While I’m extremely happy about the election results, let’s not forget that the Conservatives were on track to sweep before Trump shit the bed so badly that the entire world had to hold its nose.
WWIII teams are forming up
It’s going to be so weird helping the Germans defeat Nazi America
Same here (said the American)
Lol
Remember that the ultimate enemy are the Sociopathic Oligarchs, and their Corporations. They have nearly unlimited finances, so they have to be resisted in other ways.
The Trump effect is wild lmao
It’s only partially responsible for this.
Significantly partially. In January Dutton started to style himself after Trump, even going so far as getting tips from the GOP, after Trump’s win. However by mid-March Dutton was trying to backpedal rapidly but it was too late. Clearly not all his staff got the memo (esp Jacinta Price… oh dear) and everything he did or said could be met with a variation of “hold on, last week you were saying x”.
Also I’d like to once again say thanks to the founders that gave us compulsory, preferential voting.
thanks to the founders that gave us compulsory, preferential voting
Not sure if sarcastic or not, but it made me look up when these things were introduced. Preferential voting was 1918 by Billy Hughes Nationalist Party. Compulsory voting was a state thing, starting with QLD in 1925 and ending with SA in 1942.
Not sarcastic, but rereading it now I can see why you’d say that. I’m grateful for preferential voting because there were a lot of seats that had Liberal first preference majorities that swung on preference counts. I wasn’t actually aware that preferential voting came along 17 years after federation and that it was the states that gradually brought in compulsory voting… and now in wondering why, and what happened to cause us to shift away from the British model we were no doubt following beforehand. Thanks for the new rabbit hole!
King Midas
I hate the fact that it had to be the US that fell to these fascists… but at least it put the rest of the world on notice.
Yeah we kinda hate it too.
As an American working on moving to Australia this was great news to wake up to!
Make sure you open a Seattle style teriyaki joint there!
Don’t think I haven’t thought about it! I joke with my wife I’m going to open Cascadia Teriyaki in Australia and introduce them to Seattle style Teriyaki and Marionberry pie.
The Canadian cons didn’t actually boot Polievre, instead they’re giving him an easy to win riding and a brand new seat in parliament so he can stay on. Which probably means he’ll stick around and win the next election. I hate it.
Edit: autocorrect
Ya, and also the conservatives lost by 1% of the popular vote, and had excellent numbers overall. I really wish we kicked them to the curb, but that’s hardly the case. Sounds like Australia did a much better job.
That’s exactly what makes me believe they will win next time with little effort. Unless the LPC delivers big, people are not going to vote “anything but conservative” again.
If Carney is smart, he actually pushes for proportional representation. It would save the liberals next election, all the smaller parties would be on board, and even if he gets ousted after, he would have secured his place in the history books (not sure how susceptible he is to appeals to his vanity…)
Wait what? Source please
It’s about 3 seconds of googling to find out that there will be byelection in Battle River-Crowfoot, which went 81.8% in favour of the Conservative candidate. Polievre will run there, get swept in, and pretend that he represents Canadians.
Telling people to google stuff is so fcking reddit mate.
Thanks for providing context.
Learn to search shit your self, or get off the internet.
No one owes you anything.
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The burden of proof lies with the person making the claim. Whether or not something is easily confirmable
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then it should have been very easy for you to post a source instead of arguing about it
Not op but https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poilievre-to-run-in-alberta-byelection-1.7525104
Basically he asked a con in the highest % of con votes to step down to trigger a by-election. It’s an area where the other parties don’t even campaign, they just hand it to the cons.
There are already talks of “liberals rigged the election” so that he can deflect and not make it a personal failing that he lost a riding that’s historically always been conservative and lost a 25 point lead in the polls in a few months.
What even is the point of “representing your district” if they could just nominate a random person from across the country that never before stepped foot in that district?
Welcome to Canadian Parliamentary politics, where every good step forward has an equal and opposite step backwards.
While I still prefer it to the alternative system to the south; where it’s all bad steps. I’d be lying if I said our own system was perfect by any means.
Carney could deny the by-election or at least delay it, but that’d cause conservative tears so he’s avoiding the drama.
Oh god… We had Jacinta Pryce (extreme right winger in Oz) try the same here tonight. How do they expect this to work? I suppose because it worked for Diaper Don…
Sorry, didn’t check back until now, but looks like it got sourced in the meantime.
I dunno, I’d like to try to be hopeful. The NDP has a real shot to completely rebrand and come back swinging. Convince Charlie Angus to come out of retirement and lead the party, and spend the next however-long-this-term-lasts rebuilding support. I can’t think of a better outcome than having to Sophie’s Choice between Carney and Angus. Imagine having to choose between 2 legitimately good party leaders.
The deep mind 3D chess move to make here would be to found a better conservative party and split the conservative vote.
I said it a couple days ago that this election reminded me of our 2020 election and what followed. Center-right liberals are only good at driving people away since all they do is tell you what you want to hear and then go behind your back and do the exact opposite. It’s just diet Republicanism here in the US and sounds like it’s very similar abroad. Nobody likes diet Republicanism.
The good news is that the riding he has to run in is incredibly rural. He’s going to hate it.
Poilievre is a city boy. He grew up in the Calgary suburbs. Then he moved to Ottawa to become an MP. The only job he’s ever had involving physical exertion is when he was a paperboy as a kid. Now he’s going to have to spend some time in his new riding surrounded by farmers. The biggest “city” there has a population under 20k. Everything else is towns, villages and hamlets. Assuming he buys a house in Camrose, if he wants Thai food, he’ll have to drive over an hour to get to Edmonton.
Maybe because the conservatives have such an overwhelming majority in Battle River - Crowfoot, they won’t care that he’s a carpetbagger and he won’t have to put much effort in there. But, I think eventually he’ll have to spend some time in his riding, and it will be a major culture clash.
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Majority Labor and Potato lost his seat, blessed be the aussies.
Almost the exact playbook as in Canada. Except it’s a close minority here. But the Maple Maggot, after losing his own seat, has decided to take over another MP’s seat in a by-election.
I know the chances are very, very slim, but I’d love to see the people of Battle-River-Crowfoot vote ABC and make that little weiner lose again.
There are so many hilarious opportunities with this by-election.
-91 candidates run and he comes in 91st
-Trudeau also runs there and wins
-He runs, loses, and repeats the process until the Liberals have a majority
Trudeau might be the first candidate to ever achieve a negative number of votes if he ran in Crowfoot.
Ok that’d be hilarious too 🤣
He runs, loses, and repeats the process until the Liberals have a majority
No repetition necessary. The Liberals are one seat away from a majority.
The riding he’s chosen to run in is one of the most conservative in the country. The guy who’s stepping down won something like 80% of the vote.
But, the Liberals should run someone who actually lives in that riding and keeps reminding the voters there that Poilievre doesn’t live there and doesn’t know anything about his new riding. It won’t be enough to keep him from winning this time, but there’s a chance that over time it will start to matter to voters that their MP doesn’t live there and knows nothing about their riding.
Dude I’m clearly not serious with that comment and am just writing a sitcom in my head
Mot really, Labor did nothing over the last 3 years and get rewarded for that as well as Greens losing a few seats.
Best case scenario was minority Labor gov shared with the Greens.
The massive infrastructure project 5 minutes from my house is not nothing. I’m very happy Labour are putting my taxes towards constructing the nation.
Good!! Some hope for this world is left.
L + rato
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