The problem is that something is missing and it’s being filled by angry reactionaries and right wing grifters who prey on the particular insecurities of young men, specifically insecurities around masculine values.
What’s missing is a foundational framework for understanding the male experience as distinct yet coequal to feminist theory. A framework that seeks to promote a balanced, respectful dialogue by articulating unique structures, values, and challenges faced by men, in order to offer a lens through which male identity, struggle, and transformation can be understood on their own terms, while upholding - acknowledging - the progress and insights of feminism.
These men feel like they don’t have purpose or identity. They need a framework, but unfortunately efforts to define and build such a framework are often hijacked by extremists that just hate women and minorities. Like we see now.
How can right wing extremists hijack a “foundational framework” when you offer nothing. For them to hijack the conversation you would first have to offer substance that then is taken but you don’t offer anything. That is why they vote against you. You are for the betterment of one sex and that doesn’t include them. Why would they vote with you? If the situation were reversed you wouldn’t vote with them either.
Shitty parenting and the education system being eroded year by year. This is the generation that the billionaires wanted. Poor, stupid and complicit.
Yeah, make them idiots and then tell them they’re the most important idiots and shouldn’t feel less than. It’s a Republican politician’s wet dream to have a population of slobbering assholes who feel like they deserve more than everyone else and are being denied it
Well the kids are leaning right because of propaganda and mind control. Plain and simple. Instagram and Twitter actively push ragebait content designed to radicalise impressionable kids.
I must live in a bubble. Both of my (university age) kids and their friends are vocally offended by Trump and Musk, and they think Polierve is a bad joke.
My oldest games online with a few Americans and they are also very anyi-trump. (“They wouldn’t be my friends if they supported him”)
This gives me hope for the future
Talked to a few of my friend’s kids. They all think Musk is a genius.
I see Andrew Tate victims in all of them.
Ugh, what a terrible future we have.
These kids have got awful fucking parents
Gen x parents have dropped the ball so hard it’s not even funny.
So much alcoholism. And 2008 happening in their prime earning years caused several gen X’ers I know to never recover financially.
I feel seen here LOL
No kidding!
Both JP and PP couldn’t fight their way out of a wet paper bag and they’re waxing poetic about masculinity?
PP’s so masculine that when one of the racist supporters said he’d rape his wife, this powerhouse just pulled down his pants, bent over and took it.
Anything these twats says is absolute nonsense.
You who could fight, though?
Didn’t he also win that fight?
Yup. Decisively
Where are their fucking parents? My generation bitches endlessly about boomers, then…raises another generation of them?
Nice.
I still don’t understand how they are doing it.
At no point in history could you go to the woman dealership and buy a woman. You could maybe pay for a little time with a woman, or buy a slave at a slave auction. You could negotiate with a woman’s father some exchange for his daughter. But that exchange usually had to have something of value, and it also meant you lived beyond the age of 30.
Like I get that younger people are dumb, and being a man, I can attest that men are particularly dumb, but how fucking whacked are these men thinking they will somehow benefit from this?
The strict dress code for women came about because debt collectors would show up to farms in the Fertile Crescent to demand payment on a loan, and decide to take their daughters as payment. (Drunkenly-remembered source: Graeber, “Debt: The First 5,000 Years.”)
I’m just gonna say it
Humans have a weird system for propagating the species.
This is accurate.
Source: I once bought a wife from a man in the Fertile Crescent in exchange for a shipment of low quality copper.
Look, the only reason people start getting conservative, is when needs and wants start getting harder to acquire. Want to change that? then have affordable living make a come back. There’s a reason why a decade ago people were more liberal, because shit was more affordable.
I’ve lived in a small rural prairie riding all my life. It’s been not conservative one term in the last 40-50 years. The people who complain the most about Canada being broken are the ones who have owned their houses since the 90’s and worked the same jobs for pretty much as long and have the health care system all their long lives and starting to collect cpp even while continuing to work, as long as it doesn’t put them too much into the next tax bracket. They can’t really explain how Canada is broken for them, beyond talking points. They can’t really explain what they think Conservatives will do to fix the things they don’t really know are wrong. They just vote conservative because liberal bad. The fuck Carney signs came out the day after he was confirmed as Liberal party leader. There was no time to formulate a hate for him, it was immediately implemented mindlessly
This is correct, but I’d just like to add, it’s because conservatives always provide simple answers, to complex issues because they don’t actually care about fixing anything.
Housing too expensive? It’s the immigrants!
Food too expensive? It’s the liberal regulations!
Taxes too high? We’ll lower them!
Every issue, they provide a simple, yet absolute bullshit fix for, but it’s easy to understand and for a simple mind, simple solutions are the answer.
Liberals have failed to make progress on these issues because in part there’s corruption, ineptitude, but for the most part because the solutions required are complex and take a long time to fix. And no-one has the courage to say this shit is fucked and we need a fix that addresses all of the facets of the problem.
I vote for counter propaganda feeding them that right leaning people are all child predators or will become one. Make them demonized the same way they demonize the left.
Social democracy let everyone down (by being neither social or democratic, thanks to politicians thinking about their rich friends) and now people are surprised that a generation started to believe that an authoritarian leader would be better.
How did social democracy let everyone down?
Are you kidding? All crown corporations are getting privatized, they’re intentionally destroying social services in order to justify giving more space to the private sector, they only built housing long enough to comfortably house boomers and X and then they gave up…
No it’s not social democracy at this point, it was still sold as being it way longer than it actually was though and that’s how people became sour to it. If you convince people that social democracy is them not being able to afford to live, they’ll get hooked to the first alternative they find.
The reason I asked is because I feel that you are blaming social democracy and I think you are painting with too broad a brush. Capital should serve the state, the people, not the other way around. Social democracy is in part about strong regulations on capital. We need to stand by that and support it. Throwing it away cedes power to capital.
I’m not blaming social democracy, I’m describing how people feel because they’ve kept being told that’s what they were getting even when they weren’t until they started to believe that social democracy was the problem to begin with.
We won’t get social democracy with the choices offered to us either so what then?
gestures broadly
Because right wing voters continued to exist to let it.
I don’t buy into this whole narrative. There’s a 2023 study that shows very little change in men’s political views over the past four generations. It’s women, especially white women, who have swung hard to the left, and Gen Z women are twice as likely to call themselves “liberal” as Boomer women. Young women cited the following reasons:
“The #MeToo movement was a defining cultural moment for many young women, informing their views about the treatment of women in society. Donald Trump’s election in 2016 was another formative event for many young women, who remained uniquely opposed to him throughout his presidency. Finally, the overturn of Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court ruling that established a right to abortion, was a uniquely salient issue for young women, who identified it as their most crucial concern in the months following.”
The caveat is that this is an American study. But if we extrapolate to Canada, it’s women who are driving the gender gap between the LPC and CPC. Men are just as conservative as they’ve always been. The only difference between now and 1965 is that they’re all shouting about it on social media, whereas back then, they just bitched about it in bars.
A lot of comments in here have real “I’d beat my kids” vibes, and that’s kind of shocking and scary.
