It’s all about who the most important prophet is, and anyone that disagrees is wrong and we hate them.
Religion is wild.
destroy all abrahamic religions for the future of humanity
if only
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happy Pesach and all that
time to create a polytheistic religion with 3 gods; Adonai, God, and Allah… it’ll unify those three religions into being confused and uncomfortable about my religion.
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they all technically believe in the same God, in one version said god has a son who sacrificed himself, then Muslims built on that as well.
even though the “vibe” and lore of each God is different, technically they are all the same entity.
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It is fundamentally the same Abrahamic god, but Christians believe in Jesus and the Trinity stuff while Muslims do not.
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Muslims believe in Jesus
Never said they don’t. I’m not even religious and I believe there’s a pretty solid chance Jesus existed. I don’t think he was the son of god if he did, however.
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Prophet saved by God
It’s like how not all Christians believe he died on the cross
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Actually the hate is mutual. Muslims hate Christians and Jews, but Jews deffinetly hate Muslims and Christians and Christians hate Muslims and Jews. Abrahamic religions are the doom of the humanity.
Al-andaluz my beloved
Oh look, a circle jerk.
rELiGiOn bAD!
Christians believe Jesus is god and have a Trinity thing going on.
Jews and Muslims have an entirely different concept of god than modern day Christians.
There is at least one Christian religion that believes Jesus is below God, while believing he is the Messiah, Gods son, and much of the rest of the Christian beliefs (Jehovah’s Witnesses). They don’t believe in the Trinity. Holy Ghost/Spirit is just a tool like the force to them, not a distinct person
Wait until you hear about Christians’ conflicts with other Christians! Also a lot of Islamist terror is directed at Muslims who follow Mohammed’s teachings the wrong way.
Was flabbergasted when I found out that there was a straight up murderous hate between different sets of Christianity. You can tell the book is the perfect word of a divine being, since it spawned so many different mutually exclusive interpretations
There have been actual crusades inside europe against the ‘wrong’ type of christians
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There are hundreds (likely actually thousands) of Christian denominations:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations
Gonna need a lot more arms.
Doesn’t Islam also have multiple different sub-cults within that hate eachothers?
It’s more like the whole Muslim world vs Iran/Iraq
Sunni and Shia are not a 70s pop duo.
There’s nothing Christians/Muslims/Jews hate more than slightly different variety of Christians/Muslims/Jews. The other 2 are far behind.
I was told by nuns in catholic school that we had more in common with Jews than with Lutherans.
(they were right)
The denomination wars are real
Jews don’t really hate anyone for not believing in their God. Unlike Christianity and Islam, Jews don’t believe that everyone has to follow their religion. They don’t really believe in Heaven and Hell, and they don’t proselytize to people who aren’t already Jews. Judaism is for the Jewish people and that’s it.
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A few things here-
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The Talmud isn’t the same as Christian Scripture and this isn’t something all Jews will see and say “Yeah that’s what I believe and it’s super cool.”
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Jesus’s “crime” here is being a Jewish heretic and leading other Jews astray. It’s not because he’s a different religion. During the time of Jesus, most non-Jews were polytheistic Pagans, and they didn’t really have a problem with other people practicing their religion. The issue the author takes with Jesus is precisely because he was a Jew and not a gentile.
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Damn, that’s crazy. I’ve never heard of this. Got any other cool, obscure “scripture?”
Edit: after looking it up, I think the part right after is just as interesting:
The Gemara comments: Come and see the difference between the sinners of Israel and the prophets of the nations of the world. As Balaam, who was a prophet, wished Israel harm, whereas Jesus the Nazarene, who was a Jewish sinner, sought their well-being.
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I said “just as interesting,” to be a bit pedantic. But it’s interesting because I grew up a crazy form of fundamentalist Christian, which involved a lot of fuzzy support for Judaism, by definition, as well as political support based on Israel, because…uh…God or something.
But this portion, referring to Jesus as a sinner, would cause conniptions in any evangelical church. But the idea of Jesus as a sinner is far more interesting than a perfect Jesus. Like Batman vs. Superman.
Yeah, the religion with the “chosen people” . Yep. Definitely tolerant of non-believers.
God’s wrath? This only is directed at believers right?
Lol
Jews are welcome to believe in whatever they like provided they’re not hurting anyone, but let’s not pretend their religion as written, or hell even widely practiced, is somehow more tolerant compared to other religions.
Have you read the Bible? Half of the Old Testament is God getting mad at Israel and punishing them with wars and diseases. I haven’t done the math but more of God’s wrath in the Bible seems to be directed at Israel rather than her enemies.
To me any religion that excludes people or exalts people on the basis of tribe is not tolerant end of story.
I haven’t read the entirety of the Bible. But happy to be persuaded that my understanding of God and his chosen people is inaccurate.
For example, this was incredibly easy to search for: Destruction of the Canaanites
I would wager there are many such stories. Judaism, like most religions, is pretty fucked up.
If anyone really believes God chose their people over others, you inherently believe your tribe is more special, more righteous, or favoured by God. To me, that belief is nothing short of dangerous - *gestures broadly throughout human history*
I’m not really out of line here to assert that makes the orthodox belief foster ethnic/tribal supremacy.
I’m not saying everyone who believes in Judaism believes this way, but as a whole it’s pretty hard to argue their shit doesn’t smell as bad as the others.
Exclusion is just not a sign of tolerance. Sorry ¯_(ツ)_/¯
People are individuals, and I’d assert there’s a spectrum of views across believers.
If we’re talking about the religion in general? I’ll have to strongly disagree that it’s only inward looking.
No, but a key tenet is the belief that Jews have a “higher purpose” in life than gentiles, and unfortunately this manifests as ethno-religious supremacy in the more conservative circles. A lot of the rhetoric surrounding Gaza is that Jews have a biblical right to the land over…the people that actually live there.
maybe I’m naive but that concept “or la’olam” translates to " light to the world"
i grew up thinking it meant that we have the obligation to be a source of good to the world, like we don’t have a responsibility to be good to ourselves but to the whole world, we need to become scientists, engineers, … we aren’t superior to anyone, but we’ve been chosen to dedicate our lives to improve the world.
however in many conservatives circles that is interpreted as being superior and that everyone else will eventually accept it and they will willingly become our slaves. it’s insane how the same concept is interpreted so differently.
Well, it is true that unlike other religions, Jews don’t try to necessarily recruit new people, They do try to recruit non-religious Jewish people into religion, which is still bad. And the Jewish religion still has a bunch of terrible, racist, misogynistic and overall just terrible beliefs that are inherent to the religion. And there are still a bunch of Jews who just hate all other religions, especially Orthodox Jews.
Interesting. That’s almost the opposite of Baha’is. Baha’is don’t proselytize because everyone is a Baha’i. They just haven’t discovered it for themselves yet, and they have to do that, it’s not the job of the Baha’is to do anything but live the best way they can. Their “Kingdom of God,” or afterlife is also distinctly different from the concept of Heaven and Hell as well.
The Dome of the Rock seems to be claimed by all three. Abraham attempted to sacrifice his son there, before he was stopped. Muhammed’s ascent to heaven took place there (figuratively, not literally), and Jesus threw the moneymen out of the temple at that location.
I always wondered what is so special about that location.
Islam and Judaism: this place is holy for important religious reasons
Christianity: this place rocks because Jesus beat up greedy capitalists.
Muhammed’s ascent to heaven took place there (figuratively, not literally)
Just looked it up, Muhammed died in Medina. I kind of assumed he died somewhere in the the vicinity of Jerusalem and that’s why his name is connected with the Dome of the Rock
dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
So starting from a schizophrenic as the lineal foundation resulted in a three headed god concept never contained in any canonical part of their book, the mulligan do-overs completely disconnected from their ancient ways, and the other brother magic tripping LSD globe trotter of the desert. Does that surprise anyone. What is surprising to me is that something so obviously nonsense is still so accepted.
in my personal edgy opinion, religions are a cope & a great tool of control.
They give you hope against the biggest fear ingrained in us - death, and even worse - death being equal for everyone, good person, bad person, both will die. It’s a nice thought to believe that there is fairness to it all, that good actions should be done despite bad actions being easier. It’s a nice thought to believe there is something else after you die, and none of your good (or bad) deeds go unnoticed, that you, a good person, will live in paradise, and your enemies will finally suffer the consequences of what they’ve done.
it also helps bring people together, creates a unified peoppe and a culture of those who believe in the same thing & allows a potential leader to have an easier time rallying everyone towards the same goal.
religion is a wonderful tool for both coping with existential dread, and unifying people. but as a tool it has the capacity for explaining away both good and bad things quite equally (helping poor, crusades, personal growth, bigotry).
what relgion is based on is close to irrelevant, it just has to be something, preferably a good overall story with many smaller stories that teach the common folk how to be a good [insert religious identity]. Try reading ancient Egyptian mythology, i suspect most of that shit was written on heavy doses of psychedelics, and despite how completely insane all of it is - it unified people and was an integral part of the biggest empire of the ancient times.
honestly i don’t want to “debunk” people’s religions, if it’s something that keeps them going then why take it away, i personally tried but failed multiple times at believing in any god, but i can’t lie the existential dread of “one day i will die, no matter how much i managed to achieve, no matter how good of a person i was, i will die the same as every murderer or war criminal, and there will be no justice in that, and then, one day my name will be spoken for the last time, and i will be forgotten” is a heavy thought to bear, no wonder that as a species we’ve always tried to find some reason, any reason, for that not being the case
The receptors for psychedelics aren’t there for no reason, heavy prayer and meditation can trigger similar effects. Substances are just a shortcut, that’s why religion don’t tend to like them. Personally I think that as long as it isn’t used as a crutch it’s totally fine to buy a day pass.
the receptors for psychedelics are the same as normal happiness receptors, just constantly stimulated by the drugs binding to them (similar to SSRI). prayer and meditation can have partially similar effect, fractals, feelings happiness, and even ego death yes, but there is more to psychedelics than those, they can completely alter your perception of reality and thoughts
So can meditation, if you are good enough and go deep enough. I’ve heard stories of Buddhist monks that think LSD is weak stuff.
I view it as slightly better than that interpretation. The Old Testament is what links the three. The interesting thing about the Old Testament is that it was written over a few thousand years starting around the time of two major historical events that could have precipitated what would look like a potential “apocalypse,” to anyone at the time.
The Green Sahara period had just come to an end, denying Egypt what I would imagine was a substantial breadbasket for the Egyptian, and possibly Assyrian Empires. That event may not have directly caused The Bronze age collapse, but they happened quickly enough together, that I would imagine it was a factor.
So in a period of a few hundred years, a savannah that had plentiful game and foraging turned into the largest desert in the world. The Levant went from a seemingly temperate mediterranian climate, aka “the promised land,” to a desert mediterranian climate. All the empires that you know of just collapsed in a period of 150 years. You might just get a bit superstitious, and borrow some ancient creation myths to write down the “history” of your people.
Lots of cultures did this. We know from archeological evidence that the Israelites weren’t ever in Egypt, so everything up to, and including Moses, was made up to try to teach their descendants how to live in this new horrible dying world. It’s just absolute random chance that the Israelite texts survived long enough to spawn the other two belief systems.
The green Sahara was gone 5 000 years ago when Egypt barely started being Egypt and long before Assyria, the Bronze Age Collapse happened 3 200 years ago, and the Old Testament started getting written a bit before 600 BCE over a few hundred years. The Egyptians and Assyrians already had their breadbasket, it was the fertile crescent from the Nile to the Tigris and Euphrates, it was not a desert there.
The israelite texts survived because they were written right when some big empires (Babylon and the Achaemenids) came around and then carried them over until the Greeks and Romans came by.
I fail to understand why, in religion as in politics by the way, differences and disagreements should be a problem. Diversity is a strength!
That’s how I view different religions. Each one has one part of a big picture and a bunch of extra fluff. The trouble is that people tend to think that the extra fluff is just as important as the core message, and religions as a organizations encourage it.
I like to compare religions to languages. They are tools to speak about the unspeakable, but they don’t necessary oppose each other when they have different doctrines, like French doesn’t oppose English when it calls “maison” what English calls “house”.
By definition, God is a reality that exists outside time and space, there’s no way our mind can define it. But like you need a language to speak, you need to practice a religion to develop your spirituality, even if you know that your religion is not the only way to develop it. You can also speak more than one language, and you can practice more than one religion, but it’s harder.
That’s a great way to see it, thanks for sharing.
You’re welcome :-)
Idiots want to dominante I guess. Smart people want to learn. They are not smart.
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