Full quote of what he said was
“We are all Canadians, but we all have different identities and distinctions, and one of the great strengths of this country is recognizing that people can be who they are, they can love who they love, they can live where they are, and it’s fundamentally important that the federal government is the defender of those rights, defender of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and access to health care in Canada is a fundamental right for all Canadians without exception.”
Was asked in the context of Alberta’s anti-trans bills/legislation
Decent way to convey the important bits without using trigger words that could melt any insecure snowflakes.
I truely hope that remains our country’s policy. What a great way to say it as well. We’re all human and neighbors, living on this tiny (in a galactic sense) rock so let’s make our corner of it accepting to those that want the same.
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Fuck off back to .ml with your divisive bullshit, please and thank you.
The reason I don’t appreciate this framing is that while it contains a kernel of truth (Carney hasn’t come out swinging against Israeli policy, and evidently some of his brief government’s actions are questionable) it also distorts the truth in several ways.
For example, what does “pro genocide” mean? I would say that Ben Gvir is unambiguously “pro genocide”, like the guy wants to go kill all Palestinians. Is that Carney’s position? No. Then you have for example the German government that are actively trying their best to refuse to face reality and are therefore functionally pro genocide. Is that Carney’s position? No. And since “genocide” is such a signifier of unambiguous evil, is being “pro genocide” just not forcefully being “against genocide”, the way that South Africa and Ireland are? In that case for example are, I dunno, …say, Portugal, or Mexico, or Sweden “pro genocide”?
At the same time, Carney has talked about the territorial integrity of Gaza, putting Palestine and Ukraine (and Canada!) on the same rhetorical space. Is that what a “pro genocide” politician would do? I don’t think so.
So, I don’t appreciate the framing at all. A phrase like “Carney is pro genocide” is just plain misinformation.
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Strawman. He didn’t call you a bot, he called you a boot licker.
Were the US Republicans deluded and out of touch too? In fact, who was not deluded or out of touch?
This is the same energy that got Cheeto Benito elected over the border. Thanks to bullshit like yours, dipshits somehow came to the conclusion that Harris would be worse for Palestine than Trump, and look where that got them.
Carney might not be taking a firm stance against Israel, but the other viable candidate straight up licks their boots and will be worse for Canada in every other way.
So, your answer to preventing the rise of fascism in Canada is to do exactly what the Democrats did in the US. How did that work out for them? If you actually want to see the Conservatives lose, you should demand the Liberals actually do better instead of compromising on something as fundamental as whether or not to support a Holocaust. That’s what you are doing right now, calling people out for saying “I will not vote for either of the Holocaust parties.” You may personally be willing to sacrifice a few hundred thousand brown people on the other side of the planet for the sake of slightly better domestic policies, but many will not cross that line. Trying to sway them with bullshit “lesser of two evils” nonsense will not work.
Obviously, things in Canada are different - we don’t have nearly as much of a role to play as the US does in genocide, and the population is also less right wing overall. But that just makes it even weirder that you’d respond so negatively to the simple true statement that “Carney supports genocide” - it is objectively true and stating it isn’t even realistically going to change anything. The more I interact with libs the more it feels like they don’t even believe their own “lesser of 2 evils” stance, they just genuinely don’t care about murder supported by their money as long as it happens far enough away.
Bruh. We all saw the outcome of statements like yours in America. A massive portion of the pro-Palestine vote chose Donald because they were hammered over and over with “Kamala supports genocide” with no regard for Trump’s position. Incredibly fucking ironic that you’re pretending my position is going to bring fascism to Canada when rhetoric like yours is what will get PP elected by driving voters away from Carney. It’s incredibly disingenuous to pretend statements like “Carney supports genocide” in the absence of any other context - such as comparing that stance to the other party leaders - is even slightly innocuous.
So please, if you aren’t just a shitty troll trying to get PP elected by pretending to be a progressive concerned about Israel’s genocide, spend some time in self reflection and consider why so many Palestine supporters in the States were persuaded to vote against Kamala.
Who told you that pro-Palestine people voted for Trump? Choosing not to vote for Harris is not the same as voting against her.
And I don’t need to compare Carney to other party leaders because we all know that Polievre is pro-genocide - it goes without saying. I have no hope of ever convincing conservatives - they are too far gone. Liberals are supposedly the “good side” which is why their hypocrisy needs to be called out.
To make it clear again: I do NOT support the cons and implying I do is a strawman.
“Carney supports genocide” is as true a statement as “[Insert name here that criticizes Israel] supports Hamas” and it’s as difficult to accept.
‘An election is no time to discuss serious issues’
Are you sure? The previous gov restricted arms sales and Carney acknowledged that policy and seems in line with it.
For context, the other viable PM candidate thinks that Israel is the most scientifically democratically and politically advanced country in the the world and he’s professed unwavering support for it.
You forgot to tell us what saint you are voting for.
Not voting, I’m a Permanent Resident who was under the illusion that Canada had moved on from the days of residential schools. Equal rights, humanity and all that turned out to be a load of bullshit.
Edit: If I could vote, idk. If no one can take a principled stance on what should be an extremely obvious issue, then nobody.
If I could vote, idk. If no one can take a principled stance on what should be an extremely obvious issue, then nobody.
See, that’s the kind of thinking that makes me say that “strategic voting” should have its taboo status removed…
Because of this one issue, you’d be washing your hands on taking a stance for all other issues that humankind face?
If you say yes, I guess I have to respect that. Principles are principles. But well, it’s so not how I would go about this.
How does voting for nobody advance your interests?
It let’s him feel morally superior while absolving him of any responsibility for what happens.
Then leave
Why? Explain your reasoning in detail please. And don’t forget to mention what your ancestry is.
What does my ancestry have to do with anything?
Not sure yet, maybe nothing but we’ll see. Still waiting for your explanation as to why I should leave.
Because you have nothing but hate for the country you willingly and voluntarily moved to, and hope to deliberately spread divisiveness among others that live and love it here despite its faults. So put your past expertise of making a major international move to use and do it again to somewhere else
Lot of fake pro palestinian people on lemmy. Complains about israel genocide but can call oit politicians for their silence or complicity
How come they seem to mainly point out issues with the left (or center-left) and also seem to not support Ukraine …
Hold on just a sec, the Liberals aren’t a left wing party, especially not with a banker at its helm! The only way they’re considered a center left party is if the Overton window has moved right enough that the Conservatives are considered center right and the PPC is considered to be slightly right and not far right.
especially not with a banker at its helm
Everyone understands that central banks are not “banks”, right? The Bank of Canada and the Bank of England are not, in any meaningful way, similar to the Bank of Nova Scotia.
Mark Carney’s work history includes some regular ol’ bogey men of the financial sector, but for some reason they never come up. Intead, it’s this weird conflation of “Governor of the Bank of Canada/England” and “banker”.
Dude oversaw monetary policy for nations during times of national and global financial disasters, not stock portfolios.
An economist who studied at Harvard and Oxford then. He also worked in investment firms and I’m sorry but you won’t become governor of a central bank or a C-suite at Brookfield assets management by being a left wing economist, best case you’ll become a college teacher.
An economist who studied at Harvard and Oxford then.
I know you understand that that’s not inherently a bad thing, either. I know this because you, rightfully, point out
you won’t become governor of a central bank or a C-suite at Brookfield assets management by being a left wing economist
So, why all of the wildly intellectually dishonest labeling? Why is “banker” being thrown around, when it’s not true? And why is the follow-up “PhD economist”?
Dude worked for Goldman Sachs, and y’all are trying to get your panties in a bunch over his doctorate?
That’s kind of pathetic, weak sauce, dude.
He studied in universities that train those who rule the world and you don’t think that affected his political opinions? Get real buddy, it’s all part of what makes him just another Liberal politician that doesn’t actually cares the majority because he’s got nothing in common with them. His professional experience is just the cherry on top.
Hell, he was the managing director for investment banking at Goldman Sachs, he might not have had the banker title, he just managed them!
From the get go my point has been that with him at the helm the Liberal party will never be considered left wing since he’s just another leader from the same schools and professional sector as a bunch of previous ones that dilapidated the welfare state. Prove me wrong.
You’re absolutely right. I felt weird writing that and should have said center-right. I think I was trying to be less confusing when I wrote it but it’s been a long day.
I’m not thinking straight and the world is stressing me out.
I think you are. I appreciate we all have unique politics but let’s stop fucking lying and embrace those differences with respect.
Prove it.
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The last residential school closed in 1997. Colonizers support colonization. From the comments, you can tell they hate being reminded of it.
