• @obvs@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        3110 days ago

        I read today that one of his secretaries said that China had miscalculated, because China exports roughly four times as much to the U.S. as the U.S. imports to China, and he said that that makes the U.S. a lot stronger than China, that it would give the U.S. a better bargaining position.

        That’s like a wealthy family in a small town saying they can outlast the grocery store if the grocery store decides to stop selling food to you.

        I mean, good luck with that

    • @floofloof@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      English
      38
      edit-2
      10 days ago

      When the UK had a Prime Minister stupid enough to tank the economy like this, she was gone before you could eat a lettuce. But she only hurt her own country’s economy, while Trump is doing worldwide damage. The USA needs to step up and get rid of this hopeless leader.

    • @dan1101@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      1110 days ago

      He has to be fueled by hate and spite and maybe drugs. I can say a thousand bad things about him but he sure does have a lot of energy.

    • @pulsewidth@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      510 days ago

      Nah, he’s run out of feet to shoot - next shot is aimed for the groin.

      I do wish we could fast forward to the part where he Hitlers himself in a bunker.

  • @BlackSheep@lemmy.ca
    link
    fedilink
    English
    229 days ago

    OK. So China is going to retaliate. Because they can. It’s kind of watching a 5 card stud game, and Trump is bluffing. And everyone knows it 🤣

    • @Sarie@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      69 days ago

      At this point I don’t think the Chinese need to retaliate. They could just say that they will and just wait for the US to put another bullet in their foot.

  • @BlackSheep@lemmy.ca
    link
    fedilink
    English
    2110 days ago

    All Trump understands is “winning” or “losing”. He doesn’t understand negotiations. He doesn’t understand politics. It’s WIN or nothing.

  • Boomer Humor Doomergod
    link
    fedilink
    English
    1710 days ago

    How does this work from an implementation perspective? Is there a field on whatever software that does import taxes that they can tweak? Or is it just backdated from the date of import, based on the invoice?

    • BombOmOm
      link
      fedilink
      English
      11
      edit-2
      10 days ago

      I believe they get charged when products go through customs. If you want them to get to the US side of the ‘gate’, the importer pays the tariff. One inputs the country of origin, the product category, and the product value, and out pops the required charge.

      Probably will have some delays as the software get updated, and I wouldn’t be surprised if a bunch of Chinese goods get re-routed through Vietnam or other countries with lower import tariffs.

      • partial_accumen
        link
        fedilink
        English
        510 days ago

        Probably will have some delays as the software get updated, and I wouldn’t be surprised if a bunch of Chinese goods get re-routed through Vietnam or other countries with lower import tariffs.

        trump hit Vietnam with a 46% tariff, so lower than China currently, but still a huge hit.

        I was planning on buying a pair of sneakers within the next couple of months. When these tariffs hit, I knew I needed to buy them right now while shelves are still stocked with pre-tariff merchandise. My (popular) brand of shoes are made in Vietnam (46% tariff) and Laos (58%) tariff.

        Many popular brands of shoes are made in these two countries so you also may want to do the same.

      • Boomer Humor Doomergod
        link
        fedilink
        English
        510 days ago

        Do you have an idea of how the value is discerned? For example, what’s to stop someone from putting things on a boat and saying they’re worth a penny?

        • @JeremyHuntQW12@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          310 days ago

          They have to show the invoice from the supplier.

          Yes, where the importer is also the manufacturer (such as cars), the factory can sell at a loss and make up the difference onshore. However, then their tax liability is greater. What they usually do is sell via a tax haven, the importer is based in Barbados, pays their supplier below cost, and the onshore distributor then pays the importer more than they sell for, so they make a “loss” for tax purposes. Tax is only liable on profits.

        • @AThing4String@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          English
          29 days ago

          That does get audited - customs officials do have a look at a lot, and frequently check products against stated claims.

          At least this is my experience with my own company’s cross border business - labeling, valuation, documentation of sales and invoices, etc, all matter. We’ve had shipments to the US stopped and held before over what you’d consider minor issues with labeling or newer guys at the ship desk leaving i’s undotted or t’s uncrossed. I’ve had some panicked calls about costing and valuation documentation in big shipments. There were some loopholes to a few rules, but they were small and because these tariffs apply to pretty much everything from any given country, I have a hard time imagining there would be major work arounds for this.

          Smaller drop-shippers with more discreet packaging might be able to get away with reducing their numbers - or at least rolling the dice on not getting checked - but for large commercial shipments, absolutely not.

      • @JeremyHuntQW12@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        210 days ago

        Probably will have some delays as the software get updated, and I wouldn’t be surprised if a bunch of Chinese goods get re-routed through Vietnam or other countries with lower import tariffs.

        Most likely they’ll just have is “assembled” (put in a box) in Mexico.

        India has 300% tariff on Chinese goods. Everything is still made in China there. US auto workers make $40 an hour, a Chinese autoworker makes $100 a week. Yes there are robots, but they have to be maintained. The difference is the costs of fitters in the US and China is even greater.

        There might be a few edge cases where it is cheaper to make in the US ; food processing for example, where the sale price is low and transport is a large proportion, or highly automated things, like making plastic bags or injected moulded stuff like those garden chairs or plastic tanks.

        • @ricecake@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          English
          210 days ago

          The things that are cheaper to make in the US were already made in the US.
          Because of the high cost of labor here, we tend to specialize in things where the unit cost is so high that the labor cost doesn’t matter as much and spending extra for educated and skilled workers becomes a cheaper upgrade. Things like jet engine parts, engines, and machine tools.
          Also things where you make a lot of them in an automated fashion, like precision screws and nuts or refined petroleum products. We’re probably not making the plastic bags or chairs, but we would be making the giant tub of plastic beads used for the injection moulding, which is then shipped to Malaysia to be moulded, and then back to the US to be a deck chair.

          The set of industries that are close enough to the line to make sense to move to the US and can be moved quickly enough for it to matter is vanishingly small.
          It’s why most of our exports have been intangible for so long.

    • @ricecake@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      English
      310 days ago

      I believe it’s paid as part of clearing customs. Since everything is in some capacity inspected (even if that just means checking the weight, container seals, and serial numbers in the freight container), that means there’s some record of what’s coming in and from where. At that point the importer pays customs the various fees and taxes before customs let’s them take the goods out of the port of entry.

      The importer would mark it down as part of the taxes that they paid on their purchase, but it would largely only matter so that they can appropriately indicate what portion of the purchase price was taxes that have already been paid so they don’t double pay later.

    • @fluxion@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      1210 days ago

      They’ll throw in a little Taiwan invasion for shits and giggles and fuck us on semiconductors too. And they’ll succeed, because Trump won’t lift a finger to defend Taiwan

      • baltakatei
        link
        fedilink
        English
        59 days ago

        At some point, prolonged US tariffs against Taiwan make rule by China and expulsion of US military assets there politically acceptable. Same argument applies to Japan and the Philippines.

  • @BlackSheep@lemmy.ca
    link
    fedilink
    English
    159 days ago

    104%?? Seriously? What’s next? 175% tariffs. Trump, you fucking idiot. The rest of the world doesn’t need you.

  • Rose56
    link
    fedilink
    English
    10
    edit-2
    10 days ago

    Say bye bye to Nintendo switch 2 pre-order. I wonder what the gamers will do? This is gonna end very bad!

    • @vividspecter@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      410 days ago

      I think it’s mainly Vietnam tariffs that will hit the Switch 2 (Nintendo moved manufacturing their to minimise tariffs in the first place). But they are harsh enough in their own right.

  • Libra00
    link
    fedilink
    English
    910 days ago

    What? I had a nap and Trump decided he liked tariffs and all but that he wasn’t tariffing hard enough so now he’s gonna double the price of all Chinese goods. Oh lawd. Guess I’m waiting a few years to build my next PC.

    • @wirebeads@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      English
      1710 days ago

      No way. You’ll totally be able to afford to get one tariff free from those new factories that are absolutely bigly being built right now in the great state of America.

      Everything should be up and running in a week or so. They just fast tracked all the tool and die makers needed to help develop the machines needed to build your next generation silicon and mother boards, and those ram chip thingies. To avoid all the tariffs from China they’re mining rare earth on mars and conveyor belted back on to America in the frunk of the swastitrucks.

      It’s everything computer.

      Believe in Trump, he believes in you. Or not.

      Most likely not. He doesn’t care about you. He only cares about charging the government insane amounts to his golf course so he can golf while messing up his presidential diapers and getting rich off your tax dollars while wearing pants pulled up to his orange cheetos nip nips.