• @Retropunk64@lemmy.ml
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    1272 months ago

    Most of us are cool with ya’ll, but yeah, too many who aren’t, so please stay the fuck out until its safe.

    • @ArcturusRoot@lemmy.world
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      832 months ago

      Also to add, there is an unfortunate number of Liberals who are quickly walking back any support for trans folk.

      • @floofloof@lemmy.ca
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        Not only do these people fail as allies and as compassionate human beings, but they’re also very stupid if they don’t see that defending trans rights is the front line of the fight against fascism right now, and we all need to be there fighting it. They’re not going to stop at taking rights away from trans people. It’ll be you next.

      • @CosmoNova@lemmy.world
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        192 months ago

        Unfortunately it‘s not a struggle between left or right anymore but up and down instead. Especially in the US.

        • Øπ3ŕ
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          72 months ago

          It’s always been a game for the poors, this ol’ crab-bucket squid game bullshit. Seems like the only way out is to scare the tippy-top to their core. (No spoilers!)

        • @JimmyMcGill@lemmy.world
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          42 months ago

          So it’s still left vs right

          The problem is that in the US you don’t have a left party. Just a right one and a fascist one

      • @danc4498@lemmy.world
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        In what way are liberals walking back support for Trans? I’ve seen the comment from Gavin Newsom about athletics, but does that mean he has walked back all support? Or just in that one area?

        Edit: I know my comments below got me banned from a number of communities for being “transphobic”, but I believe this is the exact problem with the trans activist movement.

        You are actively pushing away allies because they don’t agree with you on certain issues. The net result will be (and already is) people getting elected to office that do not value ANY trans issue. If it is all or nothing, the trans movement will suffer.

        https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/48685-where-americans-stand-on-20-transgender-policy-issues

        This is a YouGov poll of people’s feelings on different trans issues. There are many that are very popular, but the issue of allowing trans athletes to play based on their gender is easily the most unpopular issue. How can you expect politicians to take up unpopular positions just because a small minority of voters care about it? They are just going to lose and give way to actual bigots.

        Fact is, if the trans community thinks the issue of athletics is so important, they need to do a better job of promoting that issue. Banning allies from your communities because they don’t agree with your unpopular opinions is just bad for everybody.

    • Øπ3ŕ
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      2 months ago

      Furthermore, dear German folx & allies, can we come stay awhile, please?

      Ze Nazis are here now, oder. 🥹

      • @Jumi@lemmy.world
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        82 months ago

        They’re crawling back out of their holes here again too

        But generally I’d say most people don’t care

        • @Dasus@lemmy.world
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          22 months ago

          I genuinely used to wonder as a kid how the Nazis ever got to power. How people could just stand by and let people like that take power? How could they just allow all the horrid shit?

          I don’t wonder anymore.

          • @Jumi@lemmy.world
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            12 months ago

            There are so many layers to this stuff that it would blow this comment way out of proportion. I’d love to tell you about this but it would be so much to write.

            • @Dasus@lemmy.world
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              I got curious about it several decades ago have had some time to ponder and read.

              https://howtobeastoic.wordpress.com/2016/01/19/one-crucial-word/

              Amathia. It is often translated as “ignorance,” as in the following two famous quotes from Socrates:

              “Wisdom alone, is the good for man, ignorance the only evil” (Euthydemus 281d)

              “There is, he said, only one good, that is, knowledge, and only one evil, that is, ignorance” (in Diogenes Laertius, II.31)

              That’s the opening lines of the article. It’s only 2-3 pages, a couples of minutes read. I really do strongly suggest it.

              But I’ll paste a a core bit

              Here is the last interview given by Arendt, from which I will quote a few selected bits that are very pertinent to our discussion (boldface is mine, the interview is also found in the book Hannah Arendt: The Last Interview And Other Conversations):

              “During the war, Ernst Jünger came across some peasants and a farmer had taken in Russian prisoners of war straight from the camps, and naturally they were completely starving — you know how Russian prisoners of war were treated here. And he says to Jünger, ‘Well, they’re subhuman, just like cattle — look how they devour food like cattle.’ Jünger comments on this story, ‘It’s sometimes as if the German people were being possessed by the Devil.’ And he didn’t mean anything ‘demonic’ by that. You see, there’s something outrageously stupid [dumm = ignorant, unwise] about this story. I mean the story is stupid, so to speak. The man doesn’t see that this is just what starving people do, right? And anyone would behave like that. But there’s something really outrageous [empörend = shocking, revolting] about this stupidity. … Eichmann was perfectly intelligent, but in this respect he had this sort of stupidity [Dummheit = irrationality, senselessness]. It was this stupidity that was so outrageous [empörend = shocking, revolting]. And that was what I actually meant by banality. There’s nothing deep about it [the ignorance] — nothing demonic! There’s simply the reluctance ever to imagine what the other person is experiencing, correct?”

  • @Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works
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    632 months ago

    Boy, I would read that as a warning for other people as well. Who the hell wants to travel to a place where people are at risk just for being people? Tourism dies with autocracies. Let America become the dull homogeneous wasteland it wants without throwing them any tourism dollars.

    • Sockenklaus
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      362 months ago

      Boy never in my life I would have thought about political refugees coming from the US to Germany.

      Yesterday someone said to me that we’re living in a South Park episode that became reality… I think he’s right…

      • @finitebanjo@lemmy.world
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        282 months ago

        Even South Park isn’t this wacky. They had to scrap and remake an episode after the 2016 election because it was completely baffling to them that Trump won.

  • Rymrgand's Daughter
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    382 months ago

    Something Something passing privilege.

    But seriously don’t come here, TSA is filled with bootlickers and bystanders. And harassing and detaining foreigners is going to give them good boy points.

  • @Septapus@lemmy.ca
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    222 months ago

    If they believe it is dangerous to travel there as a person like this what about this same population of people who are stuck living there?! When are they going to allow LBGTQ+ people refugee status from the us?

  • @CastorSulMush@lemmy.world
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    Just not being white and travelling to the US is now more of a risk too. Risk of getting harassed and detained by ICE. Or being harassed by people pretending to be ICE. Tourism is going to take a hit.