I do believe this was made with best intentions but it has major “just be happy” energy and is made from a position of privilege.
Just getting a therapist for example is a huge battle. Having supportive friends is not ubiquitous. Changing jobs is risky and in certain financial circumstances almost impossible, especially with dependents.
That said I approve of the message that without living there is no possibility of things getting better. My advice is to focus on small maybe even tiny victories daily making lifestyle changes where possible.
I respectfully disagree. Its thesis is simply that you can have a better life if you stay alive. The “proof” is simply all the changes the artist went through in order to find a better life. The changes aren’t supposed to be a recipe on how to make your life better - I don’t think the artist is telling people to divorce their spouses. There isn’t anything “just be happy” about getting a divorce.
Fair enough, I think yours is also a valid interpretation.
I just want to clarify: with “just be happy” energy, I meant the tendency of people to suggest seemingly simple fixes to others struggling with mental health. Even, if they work for oneself and even if it works statistically (for example sport is a good habit against depression), it feels like talking the problem down. But that is highly subjective of course.
Yeah. That makes sense. It is definitely a real problem.
Privilege? Risk? The guy was about to kill himself. He had nothing to lose. I see your point on kids, but barring significant hurdles (which most people don’t actually have), most people motivated enough can significantly change their circumstances. They just don’t want to.
What do you mean with “they just don’t want to”?
Quitting your job, potentially losing your shelter and food supply is a hell of a risk. Presume one actually wants to get better, they first need to be well enough to handle such a risk. Otherwise, they are homeless and suicidal: A great recipe to get well /s
I can upload some data for you.
I have a phone call a to crisis centers who told me “you don’t have a crisis” and hung up on me. I have a recording of an on-call psychiatrist tossing me out of the ER after saying “don’t try making this my responsibility” after I literally said I’m afraid I’ll hurt myself or others, and asked what happens if I walk out of there and toss myself under a truck. “Don try making this my responsibility.” Like, my man, it’s literally your legal duty ffs.
I’ve got photos of an isolation cell the cops put me because they denied me my prescription meds and I went a bit cuckoo from the way they treated me. (absolutely no information of rights I didn’t know if I was detained or arrested or to be put in prison), and I drew over 300 words in my own blood on the walls. No-one helped. Up for three days, supposedly under supervision. The only thing I got was them cutting off my water and snide remarks bullying me on the radio.
Several dozen doctors who’ve just dismissed me.
Literally all of my family and friends, when I even carefully try to talk about suicidal ideation, they’ll cut me off for months and months. My mom hasn’t rang me for several years to ask me how I am. Yet they all pretend it’s my fault and my personal failing that I’m not getting help, because every single one thinks “not my responsibility”, and that includes an on-call psychiatrist I told I’m afraid of harming people.
So yeah, kindly fuck off with your victim blaming.
“significant hurdles Which most people don’t actually have”
Interesting argument against privilege… buddy, we know you’ve had an easy life so far, which is great for you, yet no one thinks this way due to careful observation of others.
Ok so if I can’t afford to find even a simple therapist finding a good one lol !
Always those with money giving life advice.
https://openpathcollective.org/ provides a long list of therapists that work on an affordable, sliding scale
US only and still 30$ to 70$ per session !
Well wouldn’t any other country offer therapy for free? Is it counted as medical care?
Depends on country. In Canada only some provinces provide it
There are almost always ways to get help if needed. You just have to want to find it and be willing to accept what help is given.
The comic reads more like “I had an intrusive thought once, and mistook it for being suicidal”.
…good thing he alread had friends, a plan, and a therapist… Oh, and a lake to visit regularly at night. Smacks of privilege.
Oh shit blaming the victim
Now Lemmy is cooking for sure
At least he had alcohol! At least he had a wife to leave! At least he had suicidal thoughts! Imagine being that upset at a guy turning his life around from the brink of suicide.
Exactly! Pathetic ad disguised as life advice.
Do you see every comic as an ad for the comic?
Lemmy people are not happy because this guy is
Non-depressed Lemmy users when depressed people act depressed:
I think it has something to do with the guy saying he thought of his daughter.
Like, motherfucker, how was your child not at the forefront to begin with? If you were prepared to end your own life you were prepared to abandon your child.
I get it, though. It is sending a good message through a personal story. But it is fucked up, though much like the topic of suicide itself, so it is probably inescapable.
I get it, though. It is sending a good message through a personal story. But it is fucked up, though much like the topic of suicide itself, so it is probably inescapable.
The message was botched, though. The cartoonist said they can show evidence that “we” (the passive you, whatever) can change our lives, but the only evidence was about themself. I believe they don’t know shit about anyone elses life or problems and are falling on survivor bias saying “just do what I did!”.
Wow you weren’t kidding. Bunch of depressed commenters with a mentality of “change is hard” makes you understand how they got depressed to begin with.
Depression isn’t caused by laziness. There’s clinical trials and everything, fascinating stuff if you want to look into it.
I think honestly another way to put it is that pain and suffering are merely unpleasant signals intended to actually prevent you from dying. Death itself is a lovecraftian horror.
I think I’ll take the unpleasant signals.
Death itself is a lovecraftian horror.
Death is what you make of it.
I’m not sure what you mean. But I suspect that is cope.
That makes death sound far too attractive.
Are you sure that’s not some kind of kink of yours?
That if anything, I don’t really like people in that way but even with a Lovecraftian horror I’d prefer just to cuddle with it and be friends and destroy the world together (not that I’d be very helpful with the latter).
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