cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/26476469
The corporate media says Putin wants to take over the world, and Trump says Zelenskyy somehow managed to trick the US into supporting him — but the reality is that NATO’s long-term strategy of expansion towards Russia’s borders made war inevitable.
The only REAL path towards peace is the abolition of NATO!
wtf are these pro-nato comments? am i on the right community?
The pro-nato comments tend to be from other instances
i miss being able to block instances so much
Generally liberals seeing a title and reacting to it. These aren’t typically Socialists, but people participating anyways.
are they like subscribed or did this post just somehow got to the homepage? if they’re subscribed that’s a really sad state of affairs for the self-proclaimed socialist community in the usa (where i assume most of these people come from)
I can’t speak for them, I assume they browse by all and found this post that way. It’s possible that some are subscribed, though.
“expansion”
did NATO invade those countries?
Or did they willingly join a defensive union without threats?
NATO is an offensive imperialist empire not a “defensive union”.
NATO has attacked many countries under false pretenses. Recent examples are Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya. And arguably Palestine since NATO’s supply chain is used for Israeli weapons.
This is not to absolve Russia of any blame but let’s not whitewash NATO.
NATO isn’t a “defensive union,” it’s a millitary alliance of Imperialist countries that uses its collective strength to strongarm enemies of NATO. NATO was formed as an explicitly anticommunist organization whose leaders included Nazis like Adolf Heusinger. When threats alone don’t work, NATO engages directly, such as in Operation Gladio.
Russia even tried to join NATO after the dissolution of Socialism and the adoption of Capitalism, but was rejected.
So they willingly joined. got it.
Sure, never said otherwise. Imperialist countries do in fact wish to remain Imperialist and millitary alliances help solidify that.
Bullshit take! Basically you say the only way to not get beat up by the bully is to give him your lunch money.
In your reasoning where is the part that gives Russia the right to invade another nation?
You say you can just go: “<insert name> has a strong influence on these states? That’s unacceptable, I should have influence on these states, I should take them by force” and do whatever you want like it’s not your fault, you were forced to do so.
It’s true that Trump says the US was tricked into helping Ukraine because he’s full oc shit. Maybe with him the war wouldn’t have happened but just because he would have given his buddy Putin the lunch money, not because he’s a diplomatic genius. Anyway all of this doesn’t matter, he wasn’t in office when the war started, and whatever he says has nothing to do with how the war started and how it went, he has been president for a month, he has yet to have any influence over the war and whatever piece of news tells you anything is “because of Trump” or “despite what trump did/say” is trying to manipulate you.
If NATO were abolished, Putin would not stop his attack, he would just complete the takeover of Ukraine, and because it went so well he would just go on and takeover the rest of the ex Urss. And keep in mind that these countries are so keen on being part of Russia that they joined NATO.
I would give up my lunch money if it meant not getting into a brawl.
If the mafia shakes you down every week, you dont snitch to the cops, because the cops can only make more violence. Its the same principle here. You won’t get out of this situation with more war.
War is shit for people who live through it. Nato is only good for making war. Only de-escalation can stop war.
Nuland is the bully and azov is her lackeys
Look, I hate NATO and the European Union, but Russia is not “defending against NATO”. Capitalism IN RUSSIA caused this. It was the fall of the USSR that made Russia ultra-capitalist, and then ultra-imperialist. Russia is not a bastion of Socialism. It has a mercenary army, an entire military-industrial complex, and a barbaric mistreatment of actual workers. A lot of western politicians believe that Russia is communist, but that’s just because they’re idiots.
Nobody believes Russia is Communist right now except for random conservatives. Russia trying to secure a buffer zone against a hostile millitary alliance hell-bent on intimidating them into opening up their industry for foreign plundering, just like what happened during the fall of the USSR, is certainly an action a Capitalist country can take.
Morality is a separate matter from what caused the war initially, and given the peace deals offered by Russia towards the beggining of the conflict that were denied by the UK and US all had to do with NATO membership, I think it’s a valid explanation.
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Not sure what your point is, I’m openly a Marxist-Leninist on a Socialist community whose icon is that of Marxism-Leninism, the hammer representing the proletariat and the sickle the peasant. The reason that’s specifically ML is because believing the peasantry could align with the proletariat is more of a theory (now proven) that was popularized by Lenin and the Bolsheviks, while the Mensheviks and Trotskyists by extension didn’t believe so.
Ever heard of nuland the nato imperialist who couped ukraine
Before the internet insane people were left to paint with chalk on the streets… And now this.
If you were to say what you just did in Poland on the street, you’d get lynched.
Thats because poland is ruled by natonazis right now
You’re right, the good guys in history we’re always the ones lynching people.
