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Europe after stopping fighting the most brutal and effective wars for centuries:
You’re sure you want us back? We’ll be united this time too.
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Are you under the impression that Europe is somehow inoculated against imperialism? It’s been fine going along with the US right up to this point, and has sins all its own.
Aye
Yea? Not only has no eu country made no attempt to acquire new colonies in the last hundred or so years, they actively deloconized!
In opposition to the US, that demands mineral rights among others in Ukraine! That keeps Guam uprepresented for another example, or for a third example their threats of expansion to greenland and canada! When was the last time any eu countries did anything like that?
Most US imperialist actions post-WWII haven’t been for territory. The modern version is more economic and abstract. It’s why Steven Pinker could write a whole book on why violence has declined in the world, be technically correct for the most part, but completely misses how the situation has transformed.
And yes, the EU is very guilty of it all, too. You can claim the US is worse, and certainly a revival of territorial imperialism is a regression to a horrible history, but this wholesale wiping away of EU sins is completely unjustified.
Aside from me giving literally gave 3 examples of the US holding/pursuing territorial expansion while not giving/not planning to give representation(guam, canada, greenland)… Do you think that makes it good? Should we start praising Trump for only wanting the mineral rights of Ukraine?
Unlike you Americans, we actually do recognize our actions against our past colonies as crimes against humanity! But aside from stopping and holding bilateral development programs for them, da fuck are we supposed to do?
I explicitly said it’s a return to a horrible history. If you’re not going to take arguments that are given, then I think we’re done here.
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When? When did you say “…return to the past…”? You wobbled on about that us (complete fucking nonsense mind you, the cold war was a thing) and you vaguely stated that it did imperialism without stating a time or a specific event… So maybe you can try that? What country is doing what?
Unlike you Americans, we actually do recognize our actions against our past colonies as crimes against humanity!
You’re still keeping all of the wealth though, naturally, and maintaining the system of unequal exchange that lets you increase that wealth.
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Unlike you Americans, we actually do recognize our actions against our past colonies as crimes against humanity!
lmao 14 countries are forced to use France’s central bank. Do you think Africa sells you labor and resources for pennies instead of developing their means of production because they just love stripping their country of resources for you?
You should kind of read your links, you know? Doesn’t write a singular word ab how these 14 countries were aggressively forced to use the stable cfc instead of the hyper-inflating rand
I don’t see the link or the example where their resources are unjusty pilfered! I too can make definitive statements you know? American chedar is scientifically the grossest cheese!
Eh, colonialism has ended less than it has evolved.
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Most of Europe is actively helping Israel exterminate the Palestinians in an act of brutal colonialism.
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Potentially yes, but europe was so nice all in peace (compared to before).
Potentially? So a back when the populus couldn’t read then crimes against humanity was bad! But now, that the population can read now crimes against humanity are good? Makes a lot of sense
I answered your question about us imperialism. Should we too gang up? Probably yes. Will it only be giid? Probably no should we counter russia? Yes.
To be fair, your post is hard to read/understand.
Maybe you should ask if you are not clear ab someone else’s post?
Lets take another run at it! You complain about our, European, crimes against humanity! The ones that we stopped doing and recognize them to be warcrimes ag humanity! Is your issue with that that we stopped doing them unlike you americans?
I was just jesting that we had the biggest most fearsomes armys ever, for good (fighting nazis) and bad (being nazis? Being imperialists, etc.) but we stopped “all that” and now putin pokes us enough to go back to our war stance (but this time we are united).
I don’t know what I said that made you think I’m pro imperialism or that I even spoke about crimes against humanity (it do happens europeans do them sometimes and that atrocious of course, but today it’s russia who do them every day, all day long).
Hope that clears it up!
Slavery and colonization is not “war”.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
I’m starting to think the same thing, if you go over US foreign policy since WW2 it is almost like the mask is just coming off entirely now.
What? You’re welcome for all that world peace and prosperity since ww2. It is about time Europe started to share this burden.
Sorry to burst that bubble, but just because you were never taught about the things they’re talking about doesn’t mean they didn’t happen.
It just means your education system, like most, is run by nationalists that care more about using mythology to make more nationalists than about conveying historical fact.
Lol national mythology
It’s pretty disingenuous to act like the US took sole credit, or that Europe didn’t share in the burden of WW2.
Plus re:world peace - the USA has been involved in 32 wars since WW2 ended, none of them on American soil.
Check the numbers. Those are vastly tiny compared to ww1 and ww2. Small policing actions are necessary to keep dictators in line.
There wouldn’t be a ww2 without Europe. Their faulty treaties and failure to stop dictators led to the conflict. America cleaned it up.
Does Vietnam fall under “small policing actions that are necessary to keep dictators in line?”
Yes. Extremely low casualty rate compared to ww2.
K bud.
Have you seen the numbers or are you throwing an opinion out there?
I will draw you, Donald, as poison is drawn from a wound.
Murica, land of the free, was founded by people who owned slaves. While speaking about the evils of slavery.
So the madness was always there.
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Murica was never free, has always been madness
All states are tyranny, agreed.
True but if you don’t have an army you’ll quickly become a slave to others who do have an army
We were freed from England. Slaves were freed from slavery. But, no, we were never freed from plutocracy. We’ve made attempts, though. There will always be someone trying to opress. There will always be a culture of servitude because in service of others power is concentrated.
Although, America has continued to fight for its freedom. Sometimes winning. Sometimes losing. As a result Americans have experienced more freedom than those who came before.
Americans have experienced more freedom than those who came before.
How are Americans more free than the native people that were on the continent before Europeans arrived?
Answer: They aren’t
Ok.
You really won the morality dick measuring contest we weren’t having.
I said America was never free and you said
Americans have experienced more freedom than those who came before.
Why are your acting like you weren’t clearly disagreeing with me?
Although, America has continued to fight for its freedom. Sometimes winning. Sometimes losing. As a result Americans have experienced more freedom than those who came before.
Most brainwashed people on earth.
Slavery in the British Empire ended a generation before slavery ended in the US.
Sorry, but USA was founded on hypocrisy, pretty words about freedom and equality set down on paper by slave masters.
Everyone else in the world knows you get freedom by voting for it in election after election. Only Americans believe that freedom is granted by deified slave masters.
Sorry, was your argument the British empire is more free than America?
Edit: also did you just call the gibberish that comes out my mouth flowery?
Seek help.
When did 'Murica, land of the free, abandon freedom for madness?
Oh, I got this one! Pick me, pick me!
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Can’t help but to sing along
I gotta organize them to make them more singable sometime.
We live in a country that was stolen then we stole some other people so they could do the work for us. Then conquering half a continent wasn’t good enough for us, so we went around ruining other places if they didn’t want to give us all their stuff. If people think we only recently crossed a line, I’d generously hope they were just ignorant because the alternative is horrific. Every piece of the past is a step that got us to where we are.
The US is just Helldivers 2 in real life. A democracy managed by Elon Musk and people ready to die for „liberty“, „prosperity“ and „freedom“.
Don’t make me feel bad about my beloved Helldivers!
Sorry to say most people don’t get it or starship troopers.
Don’t feel bad. It’s not the devs fault that we live in a strange timeline
You do understand that Helldivers is a satire of America? This didn’t change in 2024. The Helldivers yell about freedom and democracy while having zero meaningful freedom or political influence, and invading other places to steal their oil or murder them for being communists because that is what Americans do.
Legend says it started with Trump getting a dirty sanchez in a Moscow brothel.
I was there the day the strength of men failed.
More importantly, why is EU Gandalf supporting so many pro-Sauron leaders when they have USA Saruman’s fall as a cautionary tale right in front of them?
America may be able to join Russia, but ultimately the war in Ukraine is a war on Europe so how tf does Europe “join” Russia (besides handing over the entire territory)?
I think that’s the point, that’s what Saruman here is advising, just like some European politics, unfortunately - to join Russia willingly, to become what Belarus is, a vasal state.
Friesengard
[Insert Always has been meme]
It was right around the time he got shot and made that fake fist pump. Also when he started considering that scum bag - obama a friend.
Oh, my friend
How did you come
To trade the fiddle for the drum
