What if someone in a government agency just started printing birth certificates and social security cards for everyone? How would anyone know the difference? Like fake IDs on a mass scale.

  • snooggums
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    294 months ago

    Oh, I thought you were pointing out that funding the process so they can get their documents would be the solution, which is true. The whole ‘border crisis’ is a manufactured problem caused by defunding the immigration process, especially for asylum seekers, and capping the number that can immigrate to a ridiculously low number.

    The solution is improving the process so they can be documented.

      • @BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world
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        4 months ago

        Given how the US is detaching itself from the concepts of truth or facts or rules, why not. “Hey is your ID fake”? “Fuck you police officer”. “My bad, have a nice day sir”

      • slazer2au
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        74 months ago

        There will be as people cover their own asses when asked to do dodgy things.

        • @SynonymousStoat@lemmy.world
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          In the past, maybe, but I feel like with the current ruling party having all branches of government under their control that they will become more and more blatant and just expect pardons or the USSC to let them off. It’s not like Republicans would actually impeach and remove anyone on their own team.

          Edit: grammar

  • murmelade
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    4 months ago

    When they talk about illegal immigrants they actually mean brown people.

  • defunct_punk
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    64 months ago

    For “everyone” meaning…? Part of the whole “undocumented” problem is that theyre un-documented. How can we issue forms for people we don’t even know?

    • @TootSweet@lemmy.world
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      14 months ago

      Advertising? Even if only word-of-mouth.

      It would have to be pretty secretive. But it’s not like there aren’t other services out there that do similar things illegally under cover of anonymity. (Silk Road, anyone?)

  • @ricecake@sh.itjust.works
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    The biggest issue is that the birth certificate is typically done at a very local level, usually the county, and not anyone can file one. It’s often the case that a particular person at a hospital or a registered midwife needs to file the application. Parents can report a live birth outside of an institution but you need to physically go to a courthouse with the baby.
    A different group of people is responsible for social security cards.

    If one county clerk files a huge number of birth certificates and uses them to back social security card requests, it’ll be noticed.

    There’s always a way around the paper trail, usually by just making sure no one bothers to look at it, but they all involve adding more people to the conspiracy, which adds more risk.
    No one will notice that one doctor delivered 500 babies in one day if no one looks at the paperwork, but each person involved increases the likelihood of a mistake causing people to look, which almost certainly will cause those details to be noticed.

    It’s similar to how people do a huge amount of any fraud, and then once a thread of detail gets noticed the entire thing is unraveled.

    Your best bet is to minimize the number of forged documents. I would predict that a single person could most easily get a non-citizen us national passport for someone to assume an American somoan identity. Since there’s comparatively few non-citizen us nationals, a passport is the federally preferred method of identification. Since the territory is an edge case, there’s more room for slipups, and since you’re not posing as a citizen, you have an excuse not to have some records.

  • @deegeese@sopuli.xyz
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    34 months ago

    A county administrator could go rogue and start issuing birth certificates to random adults, but they’d quickly be found out. Then it’s easy to spot the fakes like “All Hazard County birth certs issued between 2025-04-01 and 2025-04-20 are sus.“

    • @Dadifer@lemmy.worldOP
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      14 months ago

      How would they be found out, though? When was the last time someone asked for your birth certificate?

      • @roofuskit@lemmy.world
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        14 months ago

        Are you an adult living in the US? Because it’s pretty much always required if you need a government ID.

  • @roofuskit@lemmy.world
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    24 months ago

    Just a reminder that last time the US pulled this shit, many US citizens were deported to Mexico and nobody with power cared because they were brown.