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Oh, man. We want immediate justice so often, but I almost think the delay is the best part of that.
Still means 6 months of cyclist frustration though…
That’s the dream. Where do you live?
I have to deal with similar issues in my neighbourhood; any service vehicle will have to block the bike lane because that houses driveway is already full of vehicle.
Service vehicle never “have” to block the bike lane. They could simply block the general purpose lane instead.
In other words, they are making a deliberate choice to fuck cyclists’ safety in order to prioritize convenience for car drivers.
I think you’re attributing malice to laziness.
I cant think of a single courier or delivery driver that would actively think “let me take an extra 20 seconds to reverse into this driveway just to fuck with bikes”. They just want to get it done and get to the next
I think the word “deliberate” might be a little strong, because it’s not one person’s choice alone. It probably is laziness, but the way the road is made makes the lazy choice the one that screws over everyone else to prioritise cars. They could leave the van in the middle of the road, but drivers would get angry, so they make a subconscious choice.
Cars are large, cumbersome, dangerous objects with horns on them, and the road’s design centers them. If you park in the middle of the road, cars are so space-inefficient that you cause a traffic jam and people get upset and honk, but nobody’s in much more danger. If you block a pathway for pedestrians and cyclists, they can get around, but it’s much more dangerous, especially for children and the disabled, but most of the time the delivery driver isn’t forced to deal with that fact. Those people are much less visible.
So the result is that the mode of transport which causes the most problems for the people around it is also prioritised above all others. Decisions were made at the city planning level that put cycle paths together with cars. There are much better ways of doing things, for instance separate paths, with bollards so cars can’t just leave the road. You could make delivery vehicles smaller and lighter, with dedicated delivery bays. You could narrow roads and slow them down to disincentivise inner-city traffic, and encourage the use of bypasses, and subtly teach drivers to expect frequent stops in town.
it would be far easier to simply stop in the lane they are already in. No, they go out of their way to park in the bike lane.
yes they should stop dead in the middle of the road instead of pulling to the side
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Either way it’s block lane A or block lane A and B
Right, but that’s the point: cyclists’ safety should be a superior concern to drivers’ convenience. They aren’t equivalent, and the status-quo habit is to pick the one that causes more harm!
The cyclist is also just inconvenienced, they could just get off the bike and go around and then just continue on with their day. Unlike the car, what’s their stock until the guy comes back and moves the van. The biker is less inconvenienced than the car is.
Do you actually not understand how the cyclist is endangered in this scenario? Do you actually need that explained?
Dude, the cyclist is not endangered in this scenario. Let me explain since you have trouble because I guess you’re 5. Guy on bike sees truck in way, guy gets off bike, guy walks bike with other people who are also also walking on sidewalk, once guy gets past truck, guy gets back on bike, back in bike lane, back doing bike stuff, bike guy does this as many times that are needed, bike guy never has to come in any danger from big scary 2 ton metal things he don’t understand wizzing by.
Why can’t the cars just pass then? Why do cyclists have to give away a lane that is made for them just so cars wouldn’t have to wait 10 seconds to pass the van?
Do you really think that anyone riding a bike in the bike lane would come off a bike iust to avoid a stationary obstacle? Most would pass them on the road (which is what makes the van parking in the bike lane dangerous).
When bike guy - or child, or elderly person, or wheelchair-bound person, the people who are also also walking on the sidewalk - goes around the van, how do they get around the van? Where do they go?
You were very careful to lay out every single detail for a small child like me, but you left out that one specific detail. Why was that? Was it somehow detrimental to your point?
Curious how it never occurs to them to block the driving lane, or you know, park around the corner.
That can be both incompetent and arseholes. The 2 aren’t mutually exclusive.
Uber Eats does this all day every day.
I suppose keying them is a criminal offence?
Well, given that parking in a bike lane carries a hefty fine, and that the cops don’t seem to care, it’s unlikely that they’d be around to notice or choose to do anything about scratched paint or a broken headlight.
I’m just thinking from perspective of type of offence. In Canada you can park in the middle of the road and that’s a non-criminal offence. You’re getting a fine if someone is bothered to write you up. Purposefully keying a vehicle on the other hand is vandalism, which is a criminal offence. If you get caught, you’d get a record and potentially worse than a fine. It’s a different level of punishment.
These vans know every time the driver sneezes so Amazon can dock their pay for unsafe driving. These things have a million cameras inside and out.
So basically, wear a mask.
“Oh nooo, my bike handle accidentally smashed into the van while I was avoiding the obstacle in the bike lane.”
“And I forgot to tape the outer most part or my handle bar, so it is just the bare metal”
Just photograph the van from both angles and send the photos to the local traffic authorities.
As a person who does this job I have to say I have zero sympathy for the entitlement expressed in this thread and find no fault in any parking job these people use to save themselves the extra 50 steps x 200 places a day they have to deliver to. If you don’t feel safe going around then you can fucking wait the literal minute it takes for them to walk back and forth.
You feel entitled to them literally wearing their bodies down to dust for your convenience because you think of them as lesser human beings to yourself and you need to do self crit immediately.
Maybe you guys should unionise so you don’t have such shit working conditions.
Maybe you should shut the fuck up if you’re not willing to proletarianize yourself and salt the workplace yourself.
Sound like you have enough salt for the both of us. I don’t know who shit in your cornflakes, but you’re really obnoxious.
You’re a genuinely disgusting person and that fact is only deepened with the inclusion of this snide passive aggression. Oh wow no shit you’re not willing to put your own body, comfort, and time on the line to “just unionize Amazon lol” but you’ll use it as a backhanded excuse for why my needs are less important than your wants. Champagne liberal status: scratched.
I work hard within my own union, that I’ve been a proud member of for 25 years. The passive aggressive snide comment was because you aren’t worth engaging with in good faith. Amazon hurts you and you are taking it out on everyone else rather than blaming the real problem.
Wow no shit you haven’t been engaging in good faith. As I said, and you have now explicitly confirmed, you’re a piece of shit.
Real fucking labor solidarity hours with you blaming me for my working conditions because I haven’t personally unionized the largest company in the world. Malicious fucking moron.
And since you insist on dragging this hostility out, fucking scab labor aristocrat, how the fuck is being unionized supposed to improve my working conditions when they’re determined by the neighborhoods I’m working in and not the company? You’re just fucking stupid. You’re selfish and indifferent to other people’s problems and you want your fucking treats and you don’t want a single fucking consequence that comes from it. You want it to fall on me.
And you know you’d get your ass beat if you acted this way in person.
Jajaja. Man you are a whiny little turd. You want to talk about entitled. You think you are entitled to put other peoples lives at risk to save a few steroids for yourself. Bicyclists are making a real attempt to better themselves and the world, and you think putting them at real risk of death is justified in order to dance yourself a little time. You are the real piece of shit here. You’re starting tone was a clue but you doubling down is the clincher. Real labour solidarity involves looking out for others even when it would be an inconvenience. You have shown you have no intention of doing that and only care about yourself. Who’s the scab now.
My first response to this was expletive-laden, but I think I might get through to you if I reign it in, so I’m trying to be polite here. Just understand that I am seething with rage while I type this.
Hey there friend. You need to learn to park or stop driving. Seriously, you’re endangering lives for your convenience. You get the whole damned road while everyone else is allocated the slightest fraction to safeguard ourselves from drunks, assholes, and morons pushing two tonnes of steel and glass at 60mph while they stare at their phones and you think it’s ok to push kids on bikes into that channel of death because you can’t be bothered to look for a legit parking spot? I get that your employer is pressuring you for better times, but you’re literally breaking the law and that law exists for a reason.
Every one of the 4 of the drivers I saw that day were parking on the cycle lane when they had multiple more reasonable options available to them:
- The driveways of those receiving the packages
- Around the corner in a safer area where parking spaces are allocated by the city for just this situation
- Blocking the road. I understand that this seems crazy to someone who spends so much time on the road, but blocking a car lane is an inconvenience. Blocking a cycle lane gets people killed.
What you’re doing is lazy, selfish, and dangerous. Those cycle lanes are barely safe as they are without constantly being blocked by selfish people who think that they double as a parking space. You already have nearly the entirety of the city for your vehicle. Leave these alone.
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This is what I get for trying to be civil. You’re a terrible person and you should be ashamed of yourself.
Acting like you’re doing a favor by being seething and condescending instead of openly hostile isn’t being civil, you spoiled fucking child. Just demonstrating your complete lack of self awareness.
You’re guilty of everything you’re accusing me of. For your convenience you want to sacrifice my safety. You’re entitled and selfish. You genuinely think you’re more important than other people. You think I’m a bad person because I don’t want to be treated that way. Grow the fuck up.
I told you to walk away until you calmed down and could accept the possibility that you’re wrong. You couldn’t do that. Do you think I’m being unfair when I call you a spoiled narcissistic child in this context? If you do you’re exactly as stupid as you’ve demonstrated so far.
Stop projecting
You should read Marx, you know, educate yourself. Those delivery drivers are agents of the bourgeoisie, and class traitors don’t deserve respect.
Entitled treat hogs want their shit in 24 hours and they want all the consequences to fall on the people ‘lower’ than them. Fuck them.
The problem, my dear, is Amazon.
The problem is suburbs and single family homes. They want all of the convenience and infrastructure of living in a city they just want it spread out to the point they never have to interact with anyone else. Give me a centralized community center where people go to get their deliveries and it solves everybody’s problem.
That’s also a problem. Most of the people on Fuck Cars also acknowledge that suburbanism is not sustainable, and want denser communities.
I wish they’d just use the postal service. In Canada they’ve set up nice secure package boxes and leave a key in your normal (also secured) mailbox. And if it takes a few days to arrive, so be it.
They should change extra for packages too large or urgent for Canada Post and use that money to hire professionals that understand not everything revolves around their delivery schedule and that random cyclists that happen to be passing through the area have nothing to do with their orders.
What an amazingly spoiled child you are. Framing your entitlement as a law of nature that mustn’t just be kowtowed to but needs to be ‘understood’
And your framing of ‘professionalism’ as just being willing to accept more wear and tear on their bodies for no other reason than to ‘understand’ the world revolves around YOU. Because you’re too fucking important and privileged to be delayed a few seconds or god forbid turn your precious neck to look over your shoulder. Champagne liberals. Me me me.
Ok lol now I realize you’re just trolling and probably aren’t even a delivery driver. Almost had me going for a sec there gg.
This is OK
This is ridiculous
The only problem in either of these is the guy jumped up on the curb
The second picture has the bike lane separate from the road and the bus blocks all visibility to pass it.
I peek around the side of one of these things into traffic at least 100 times a day. Fuck off.
A car lane is dedicated to the through traffic of cars. Similarly a bike lane is dedicated to the through traffic of bikes. If it is truly such a nothing burger to wait one minute, surely you would have no problem stopping on the car lane either and telling drivers to wait. And yet I have never seen a delivery driver attempt this - probably because it is considered socially acceptable for drivers to honk at shout at anyone blocking their way. Not so for cyclists, even though they are the more vulnerable road users.
Perhaps you could also stop at a bus stop and tell the bus driver to wait a minute. Or you could stop in a stranger’s driveway while they are attempting to leave. Or hey, stop on a train track. Let me know how that goes for you. It’s only a minute, right?
When they put the bike lane in the middle of the street and the car lanes on the sides, I’ll do that
BTW I know the people in here are white because they want to play dress up cop
