You think the US govt will let MS drop 2/3rds of US citizens laptops from support?
I think some senators will hold a hearing to grandstand about security and forced obsolescence and MS will be shamed into extending the support window a couple more years.
Windows 10 is over 10 years old at this point. Microsoft learned from XP It can’t live forever.
Businesses typically lease their machines for 2-3 years so they all support 11. And do you really think the government cares about regular citizens? lol.
Meanwhile the US govt:
says nothing because it has its mouth full of corporate cock
They only switched from XP what, less than 10 years ago?
I think the hospital my mother works at was using XP for all of their computers until like 2018-2019
i doubt any of the dinosaurs in congress even know what an operating system is
What will the government do themselves? I think they are still running 10, and I haven’t heard of any announcements from agencies switching.
Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC 2019 has a 10 year support window, and subsequent LTSC versions, 5 years. If you can get your hands on one of these licences you would presumably continue to receive security patches. If the US government is somehow not running on this kind of licence, it would be pretty funny, but I’m sure Microsoft would be lenient and let them jump onto whatever compatible LTSC version given its an American company.
Most likely an unpopular opinion, but I took this opportunity to try something new and made the switch to macOS at home as my daily device. If I do end up gaming, I’ll probably just get myself a Steam Deck.
After switching to Mac OS I have 0 interest in using Linux on my actual conputer. I still have windows machine for work, and my servers are all Linux. But any machine I want to use is gonna run Mac.
Might be a dumb question but why don’t we just continue using Win10 post end of it’s support? Are security updates that necessary that the system wouldn’t work at all? As a kid I have used old Win versions like XP and 7 for a very long time, never had an issue.
“learn Linux”
there is nothing to learn, KDE and GNOME are easy to use GUIs and there are distros that require no configuration
“Learn” linux not even a requirement, a lot of distros work fine as a normal-person-os out of the box (Ubuntu & any of its spin-offs, Manjaro, Deepin, etc), with maybe some minimal youtube/forum troubleshooting, probably comparable with the amount you would do on windows.
I wish this was true, but that’s not the reality. If things are not exactly the same, people lose any common sense they may have had.
Nowadays GNU/Linux is easier to install and maintain than Windows.
Meanwhile, I deleted my Windows partition (even though I paid for it, damn OEM tricks) and feel better for it https://lemmy.world/comment/12818969
All I need is a native, feature complete, Nvidia GeForce Now Linux client. It is literally the only reason I keep a Windows installation around.
Native? Isnt it a web app?
The web app that runs on browsers, Linux, etc., only supports 1080p/60fps. The native client for Windows and Mac can run at high resolution and max settings and fps.
Win10 gets Copilot as well. Pushed without consent. Likewise if you use a program like InControl to lock W11 to 22H2, you can keep copilot at bay. For a time.
Switching to any other platform is better though. Screw them.
There are many many business customers that can’t use copilot. They are not going to tell them to just lock into an old insecure version. You’ll be able to disable it, at the very least, on a Pro license using Group Policy.
Like everything else Microsoft does that has legal implications regarding PII.
I use O&O ShutUp
Yes, Chris Titus tool did it for me.
Christ Titus the comedian?
I’d love to, but I am too dependent on my VST Plug-in library on Reaper. Running them through Wine/Carla doesn’t cut it.
I played with the idea of getting a Mac for music production, and installing a Linux distro on my desktop for gaming and video editing. But I couldn’t really justify dropping 1000-2000€ on a laptop with inferior performance to my desktop.
Looked into used specimen, but getting a 3-year old model only gets you a couple more years of software support.So Windows 11 with a local account and many policy modifications it is.
Be wary of sunk cost fallacy. Sometimes you gotta bite the bullet & allow yourself to see it as some wasted money with the opportunity to start over with something with less lock-in or the boost in creativity of now having to work with new constraints.
Have you considered running the software you need from a virtual machine inside your Linux distro?
Virtual environments are really not viable for music production. Latency and other inconsistensies makes it a no-go.
High level Music production requires very low audio and input latency in addition to consistent and 100% accurate sound reproduction.
A virtual environment is a wildcard here that I at least would not bother trying to make work. (Not saying it can’t be done, just saying it would potentially be a big headache and extremely conditioned on spesific hardware, drivers and configuration settings.)
Probably gonna keep my desktop running win10 by then because I’ll hopefully have a new desktop by then that I can easily set up Linux on. Got too much on my desktop to move over and I certainly don’t know any tools able to make the process any easier.
Probably gonna just use it as an experimental PC that I can test out server related things on.
You could just add another hard drive, install Linux on it, than access all your files on the old hard drive exactly where they are.
If nothing else, I might look into something like that.
I’m adding debian to the drive on a ten plus year old laptop as we speak. It’s taking forever because I have to do part of it manually but usually it takes less than an hour and is mostly idiot proof (my current project is on its 3rd week so I am just a special kind of idiot) but a small lightweight distro alongside the windows partition is an easy way to give old hardware new life without migrating data.
I would add a small partition, but I’m always anxious about stuff like that because I seemingly always hear things about windows messing with Linux partitions and breaking dual boot. That, and I am running out of space on my 1TB drive it came with. Two or three years of me using it thinking that I’ll never fill it up before I upgrade computers and suddenly I have to worry.
If co-pilot remains active even if you don’t have an NPU, and it consumes GPU/CPU resources and can’t be disabled, and that results in say a 10% gaming performance downgrade compared to Linux (these are a lot of ifs), then I imagine desktop Linux would finally get a big bump in adoption, once all the ‘serious gamers’ start using it purely for performance benefits. We’ll see how this plays out.
People won’t be able to use GPUs anyway because they’ll all be reserved for “AI” use and priced accordingly.
Completely bullshit, garbage clickbait title.
Windows 10 is near EoL, however that’s for Home/Pro/Enterprise versions, you can move to one of those for more time:
- Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC - 2027
- Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC - 2032
To be fair I don’t really believe that Microsoft will kill it when they say they will. And even if they do it, porting security updates from those LTSC versions into the regular ones might be doable.
Now on Windows 11:
You can just disable copilot and all the other garbage using group policy, now that hard and you’ll end up with essentially Windows 10. https://www.xda-developers.com/how-disable-microsoft-copilot/
They hated him because he spoke the truth.
porting security updates from those LTSC versions into the regular ones might be doable.
The way will likely be to just adjust some registry keys to force Windows Update to pull from the LTSC update channel. That’s been the solution for ages, no “porting” needed.
Group Policy
I’ve lost count of how many of these articles have been posted on Lemmy screaming that the sky was falling over something you can switch off with three clicks and a scroll (Start, Settings, Personalization, scroll to the bottom and click the final switch). Group policy may be beyond the general skill level, which makes the constant Linux suggestions even more laughable.
Like you, I regularly direct people to group policy (and even how to safely activate Windows with a fake Pro license so they can get Group Policy). Fighting an uphill battle.
As a former Windows user: this is true, you can disable most of the features you don’t like. I was doing that for many Windows versions, from 98 to 10.
However it was indeed fighting an uphill battle: there was more and more BS with every update, I felt that I couldn’t trust my computer, I had to check forums in order to know what’s the newest thing to turn off.
I am happier now without Windows, even though I had to learn a few new apps.
Group policy may be beyond the general skill level, which makes the constant Linux suggestions even more laughable.
Ahaha yeah, I’ve said that SO MANY times. People have issues setting a few toggles on a point-and-click UI but then it is okay to suddenly move to a entirely different OS that most likely won’t have the software they’re used to and requires terminal skills to deal with most things. Laughable indeed.
requires terminal skills to deal with most things
Have you actually used linux? Terminal is optional. Most linux users use it because it’s rad, not because it’s necessary.
Digging through the registry or searching ad laden websites to find where a new setting or old menu is buried is more time consuming than typing
man <command>ortldr <command>. The latter is to improve my system and the former to prevent a private company from making it worse.
Doesn’t group policy tweaks gets reverted on update or something like that? I heard about this group policy workaround and also heard something that said it wasn’t that great of a solution.
No, that’s a myth. Registry edits may revert in some cases yes, but group policy is different as it designed exactly to configure machines in a stable way.
Glad to hear that. After trying to linux and not having a great experience, I am forced to comeback to Windows. Will try these out next time.
On that note, do we have some good Windows forks/builds which remove the bloat for us? I heard about lot of them, not sure which one is actually worth trying.
You should not trust those builds. Everything you need to know is documented here: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/privacy/manage-connections-from-windows-operating-system-components-to-microsoft-services
Windows 10/11 Enterprise is recommended as that’s the version where Microsoft can’t fuck up.
Out of curiosity, are there any hacked versions of Windows with the worst shit gutted available out there?
You can use Win 10 LTSC/LTSB. Much longer support.
