That clock placement is giving me anxiety
what’s there to not like about 7:40PM?
That’s probably one of the updates
yolo, friend. yolo.
what packaging system?
Duct tape and baling wire, perhaps?
Strapping tape and cardboard is way cleaner.
don’t forget the spit! pulls everything together nicely - lubricates, seals and protects.
Side note: “I’mma” is a contraction of the whole phrase “I’m going to” or “I’m about to” so it’s followed immediately by the verb indicating what you’ll be doing:
“I’mma rawdog this sucker without backups.”
Yes, I added sucker, because it’s going to suck up all your time and data, sucka!
Op should have used “I’m finna rawdog this jawn no backup style”
For no reason other than mixed US slang from different regions sounds funnier to my ear
I’ve always thought of it as I am gonna
That’s the lightly slangy version I would normally use, but as long as I was being pedantic I thought I’d better avoid any contractions in that part.
Just think of all the great things you’re going to learn about emergency boot recovery!
Just do a fresh install man. I’m getting anxiety just by looking at it.
If forgetting/not wanting to update puts you in this hole, like… ever, you should really give an atomic distro some serious consideration.
Say more please? What’s the advantage?
The system files aren’t writable, instead you download a new system image when you want to update. No dependency hell or weird issues because these system images are all tested. Your system also keeps one or two old ones around and if by some chance something does go wrong you just select the old one at boot.
Downside is you’re more limited on installing software. You can force install things the traditional way but that kinda defeats the point. Instead you have to use things like FlatPak or AppImages which covers most GUI apps you could want. For command line apps you will have to use something like DistroBox.
It’s a trade off but for casual desktop users it is super stable and pretty simple. Updates come out daily (depending on distro) and they just get all their software from the software center app with a nice GUI.
You can do gui apps too! I used distrobox to run WebEx on an Ubuntu image for an interview. Just had to get to the actual binary to launch and it worked seamlessly.
Right but if there is a FlatPak, that’s usually the easier option
I have to ask, do you use X11 or Wayland? I’m struggling to get Webex working for calls (video or otherwise) under Wayland.
IIRC that was X11. It has admittedly been a minute. And by a minute, I mean a year.
(correct me if I’m wrong, I’m also new at this)
There are two partitions. One with the current system, one with the previous system. Updates are applied in a whole batch at once, once in a while.
Current system is cloned into the old one and an update is applied to the clone.
Once the update is complete, system reboots in the clone, and what was the current system becomes the previous one.
If something goes bad, you can reboot into the previous system and fix the clone.
This is how the steam deck works. I think newer android phones do this too.
Yes, it uses an immutable atomic distro. I don’t know about Android phones, but I wouldn’t be surprised.
I believe this is how android has been for as long as i have used it. At least A6 or A7. Could be earlier but I haven’t used those enough
The atomic distro would do a backup and if update goes wrong, it automatically boots back into the previous one.
I’ve updated an Arch install after not being used for 2 years. I don’t think there were any issues.
I’ve experienced far more issues upgrading to a new major release of an apt based distro though…
what did you do to that poor oldstable, you, you… monster???
Then you were definitely lucky with the timeframe. Arch specifically sometimes has updates you need a recent version of pacman to even apply, which means you’ll be left behind if you wait for too long. Last time was the switch to .zstd compressed packages: if you didn’t have a pacman that supported them you had to manually go and find a pacman from the correct time frame plus all it’s deps.
It’s been an hour, I think OP didn’t make it!!!
Maybe I’m just screaming into the void here, but does it seem like, as a person who is still relatively out of touch with linux, I don’t necessarily have to update my Arch distribution whenever there are new updates available? I could theoretically just go on downloading new programs, uninstalling old ones, using everything as it sits until theoretically something breaks?
You’ll run into security and stability problems if you put it off for too long.
I don’t necessarily have to update my Arch distribution whenever there are new updates available
Clearly, op agrees
You should always run a full upgrade when installing a new package to make sure your versions are all in sync. Like if your new package is looking for version 1.1 and you have 1.0 installed, the new package won’t work. In general, everything should be installed with ‘pacman -Syu’ not just ‘pacman -S’
If you don’t install any new packages, then no you don’t need to upgrade anything. You’re just missing out on security patches and upgraded features. It’s worth running occasional upgrades.
pacman -S without update is safe and will just install a version that was in the repos at the time you last dis an update. stuff gets removed from repos after like a month though…
Iirc, the Arch wiki says you should synchronize all packages while adding new ones, and it’s technically unsupported. It might work in some cases, but personally I didn’t have to do much to not be able to launch something because symbols missing in libraries or no such file altogether. To avoid problems it’s better to sync packages fully at least once in a while.
Op, it’s been an entire day… How’d did it go?
I fear the worst
He’s dead, Jim
2,409 updates could mean like two days of restarts… I’m just going to turn on some bagpipe music and stand on a hill in the wind looking out at the computer shaped clouds on the horizon.
And they were never heard from AGAIN! Oooooooo It is horror month, and that’s pretty scary! :-D
Don’t try to install Arch after midnight.
How long should you wait before installing? It was midnight over 9 hours ago so am I good to go?
Too late. Now you have to install FreeBSD.
Thoughts and prayers fren
And that is why I use Opensuse tumbleweed, no worries ever (zypper takes a snapshot before and after each upgrade, single command to roll back)
Not to mention that a two or three thousand package update is rookie numbers for zypper.
Same sentiment but using Bazzite here.
Update fucked something? Roll back and wait. It’ll be fixed soon.
Praying for your computer, friend
What os and de are you on? It looks pretty clean.
The de is kde plasma
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That’s bog standard KDE, I have no idea about the distro tho
