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By Umar A Farooq in Washington
Published date: 30 September 2024 11:01 BST
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Incoming anti-Muslim hatred from Liberals in 3…2…1…
Just bewilderment. Because snubbing Harris will get you Trump. Who’s a great friend to Gaza /s. So cui bono?
Both are genocidal, letting the DNC get away with genocide solidifies their position. That’s the logic, that the DNC can get away with literal genocide as long as they aren’t the GOP, and in the eyes of Liberals, that’s correct.
You seem to think that letting the more genocidal republicans win would encourage the democrats to be less genocidal, which is bizarre.
They move right when they lose to compete with the republicans because the republicans win with a right wing strategy.
If the democrats won all the time, the republicans would have to move left just to regain power, and the Overton window would move left.
Not voting for the democrats in order to move them left is insanity. They will respond by copying the more successful electoral strategy.
You seem to think that letting the more genocidal republicans win would encourage the democrats to be less genocidal, which is bizarre.
They are the same. They both support Israel undyingly, Biden is even sending in the troops.
They move right when they lose to compete with the republicans because the republicans win with a right wing strategy.
They move right because that’s what their donors want.
If the democrats won all the time, the republicans would have to move left just to regain power, and the Overton window would move left.
No, they wouldn’t. Fascism is Capitalism in decay, both parties are always moving rightward.
Not voting for the democrats in order to move them left is insanity. They will respond by copying the more successful electoral strategy.
If the Democrats don’t want to regain left votes then they are too far gone and we need a revolution.
You’ve tied yourself into all kinds of intricate knots. It’s simple. If you convince all the people who care about Gaza not to vote, things get worse for Gaza.
If only right wing people vote, only right wing policies will win.
If only right wing policies win, only right wing policies will be offered.
You’ve tied yourself into all kinds of intricate knots. It’s simple. If you convince all the people who care about Gaza not to vote, things get worse for Gaza.
I have not. Things will not get worse for Gaza under Trump or Harris, they are fully aligned. Pretending it’s good for Palestinians to be murdered because the bombs are sent by a Dem is monstrous.
Plus, I advocate voting, just for PSL or the Greens, anti-genocide parties.
If only right wing people vote, only right wing policies will win.
Dems are far-right as well, lmao. If you want left views represented, vote for left parties.
If only right wing policies win, only right wing policies will be offered.
Parties pick policies based on donors, not on the public’s opinion.
Well, you go ahead and continue to push the democrats right then. I can’t convince you. The outcome of the election will definitely convince the democrats. And I can tell you they will listen to the republican voters before they log on to lemmy.ml because there’s so many more of them and they actually vote in a way that affects the outcome.
You’re currently a Trump supporter. If you don’t want to be one, you can stop.
You’re currently a genocidal pig supporter. If you don’t want to be one, you can stop.
Everyone who is not with us, is against us. Traditional (lack of) logic of fanatics.
Nah, fuck Trump. The only way I could be seen as a Trump supporter is if you think voting for genocide should be the default.
You’re currently batting for genocide, imperialism, climate collapse, and World War 3, but you can stop.
The first-past-the-post voting system sucks; the resulting two-party system sucks; but right now we have to operate within it. The mathematics of that system entail the simple fact that if you discourage people from keeping Trump out, you are helping get Trump in. That makes you a Trump supporter.
The first-past-the-post voting system sucks; the resulting two-party system sucks; but right now we have to operate within it
Only if you think voting is the extent of political action.
The mathematics of that system entail the simple fact that if you discourage people from keeping Trump out, you are helping get Trump in
And if you encourage getting Harris in, you are helping Harris get in, who has promised imperalism, genocide, World War 3, and failed Climate action.
That makes you a Trump supporter.
In 20 years you’ll look back at yourself, if leftists have managed to prevent the end of the world, as someone who supported a fascist regime and refused to lift a finger against it. I hope you’ll come to your senses much sooner than that.
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The first-past-the-post voting system sucks; the resulting two-party system sucks; but
The hand-wringing isn’t the worst part, but it’s definitely the most annoying. “Don’t worry, I’m disavowing Harris while I vote for her in my non-swing-state, so it doesn’t count even as she uses those votes to claim legitimacy just like Biden did”.
Both hate Arabs and Muslims, Trump is just honest about it. Both support Israel unconditionally, the reality on the ground will be exactly the same, only the rhetoric will change.
No but blindly vote blue
Trump would be worse than the 20 billion dollars of pre approved bombs I can assure you
No such thing as a bad Democrat candidate amirite
Vote blue until Gaza is through, amirite?
Damn she should probably change her policies to not supporting genocide if she wants those votes
I won’t blame someone for not supporting a genocidal pig.
Anyone parroting those tired talking points who thinks Trump would be less of a problem for Gaza or the Palestinians needs to get their head examined.
Trump has already demonstrated that he’s Netanyahu’s bitch.
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My truly white-hot take is that if I had to choose between Palestine being reduced to ash and losing me and my family’s rights and Palestine being reduced to ash and me and my family not losing my rights…I’m going to take the option that involves me and my family not losing my rights lol.
And, to be frank, if I had to choose between helping a million strangers I’ve never met or not, with the lives of my family and friends on the line, I’d probably pick my family and friends over the strangers, regardless of the issue.
You can moan and cry all you want about “you are voting for genocide” or whatever - the fact is that the world is much larger than Palestine. Other things are at stake here. How the fuck are all those Palestinians (who are still going to be bombed by the Republicans btw) going to deal with climate change as its effects worsen when a Republican administration takes power in the US and rolls back all our climate protections and attempts to mitigate climate change? The global poor are FUCKED if we don’t handle that shit as best we can ASAP. Full stop.
I’m personally not interested in fucking over every other person on the planet for Palestine. Is the genocide horrible? Yes. Should it be stopped immediately? Yes. Do I want it to stop? Also, yes. But can I in good conscience actively utilize my vote to wring my hands over genocide and allow an even worse scenario to play out? Fuck no.
There are more things at stake here than just Palestine. Shit sucks, but that’s the world we live in and there won’t be magical change just because you wring your hands and screech on the internet about how random people are “supporting a genocide by voting for Kamala” when any person with half a brain can see that the Republican party has acted the same way in the past and will actively accelerate it when given the chance (remember when Trump pissed everyone off by moving the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, effectively recognizing the stolen land there?). Grow the fuck up and see that the world isn’t so simple - sometimes there are no good options, only mildly less shitty ones.
Because Trump and his party are known for being so supportive of Gazans. Idiots. Things DEFINITELY won’t get better under Trump for anyone.
I’m going to be blunt and straightforward about this.
According to Wikipedia, Islam is the third largest religion at 1.1% at about 3.5 million people. Compared at Judaism is at 2.07% at about 7.5 million people.
On the issue of supporting Israel for their horrible acts on the regions surrounding them, morality aside and by just looking at the numbers, if you get 100% of the Muslim American support, you would need about 2 million Jewish Americans to break even.
Which I think is more doable than ignoring the Muslim American population and hoping 47% of the Jewish American vote offsets the 3.5 million Muslim American vote.
Also if they have to appease the corrupt war companies that fund the party, just send the weapons to Ukraine.
I saw a poll 3~6 months ago finding israel is ranked like the 4th issue for American Jews. The overwhelming majority don’t care about it enough to change their vote for it. They certainly won’t vote for Trump over a Democrat arms embargo on israel.
That’s interesting and happy to hear that.
Considering that the KKK endorsed Trump, their only option is either voting third party or not voting if they decide not to vote Democrat.
You can’t just look at the total numbers and %'s because not every vote has equal weight, the way the electoral college is set up and fptp elections means votes in contested states and districts count for much more than if you’re from a highly partisan area.
Have they not thought about how much worse Trump will be? They are dark skinned immigrants they will be persecuted here and he will let Israel do what ever it wants to the Palestinians.
Trump: bans Muslims from the USA as one of the first things he does as president. Muslims: he’s our guy!
What makes you think they support either genocidal candidate? If
hitlerharris wants those votes, she just has to stop supporting genocide; it’s not that hard.Unless you think demanding someone to not support genocide is too much?
Republicans: literally write “finish them” on Israeli bombs.
Lemmy.ml users: the important thing to learn here is not to vote for the more leftwing candidate. Only by giving electoral success to the most right wing party will we convince the more moderate party to move left. They will see the right win and all the polling show that right wing policies win elections and will realise that they should do the opposite of what the republicans did to gain power.
Trying to use Gaza on either candidate is stupid. Genocide is a US thing, it has nothing to do with political parties.
If anything we have more chances of seeing change once Kamala is in office than Trump.
Trying to use Gaza on either candidate is stupid. Genocide is a US thing, it has nothing to do with political parties.
So we need to abandon them entirely and either elect a new party or overthrow the state.
If anything we have more chances of seeing change once Kamala is in office than Trump.
Ah, “thoughts and prayers,” same as always.
Yes, you need to abandon both and elect a new party of overthrow the state. That’s been the solution for the last 30 years, but y’all aren’t going to do that, so forgive me for discussing actual plausible scenarios.
If anything we have more chances of seeing change once Kamala is in office than Trump.
This isn’t even hopium it’s just straight up delusional.
Do you know what “if anything” means in this context? It means we are unlikely to see a difference between parties, if we do (which we wont) it would be more likely to be on the democrat side.
Youre delusional to think a Trump admin wouldn’t be far worse for Gaza and Ukraine
She is part of the current administration and has not been against all the weapons we send israel to kill innocent people. If anything we had peace during the trump administration. The proof is in the pudding!
The proof is indeed in the pudding, Trump spent 4 years disbanding state, federal and international protections, as well as getting cozy with North Korea, China and Russia. Topping it all off with an attempt to overthrow the government, stalling the succeeding administration
Then he openly admits he would add Ukraine to the list of US supported genocides. You aren’t making the argument you think you’re making.
