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cross-posted from: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/22423685
EDIT: For those who are too lazy to click the link, this is what it says
Hello,
Sad news for everyone. YouTube/Google has patched the latest workaround that we had in order to restore the video playback functionality.
Right now we have no other solutions/fixes. You may be able to get Invidious working on residential IP addresses (like at home) but on datacenter IP addresses Invidious won’t work anymore.
If you are interested to install Invidious at home, we remind you that we have a guide for that here: https://docs.invidious.io/installation/..
This is not the death of this project. We will still try to find new solutions, but this might take time, months probably.
I have updated the public instance list in order to reflect on the working public instances: https://instances.invidious.io. Please don’t abuse them since the number is really low.
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Not just invidious, they’ve just de facto blocked video embedding:
If you’re wondering how a viable competitor could arise, other companies needing a video hosting solution that they can rely on to run their storefronts is a perfect use case. This is the Humble Bundle storefront, and they could pretty easily spin up a peertube instance. If that became commonplace, it could be one way for peertube to become ubiquitous.
EDIT: This is related to my VPN I believe, but storefronts still aren’t going to be happy if they can’t rely on their storefronts working for everyone.
yo rainworld i used to have a friend that was a fan of that game
What happened?
I dont feel like i wanna say it on lemmy
I wasn’t curious about your friend until this comment lmao. Cheers friend.
Alr enjoy your day
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aww, thanks!
-rain world
Seems it’s fixed now?
Could be, maybe it’s intermittent, but the more times they try to lock this shit down and it stops working for storefronts, the more unreliable it becomes.
What percentage of visits can they afford to have this error happen before they seek alternatives? If it were my business and I didn’t know how many customers were closing the store page because the video didn’t play and they lost interest, I would be immediately looking for an alternative.
EDIT: Still broken for me. I can fix it by turning off my VPN, but storefronts are going to want to sell to everyone, including the VPN users.
is that a possible workaround? Also, a tip from my school trying to block YouTube (idk if it applies here) is that you can ‘add to queue’ to where it plays in the corner then there’s a button to make it bigger.
rain world???
Rain world.
I watch embedded videos all the time. Literally hundreds this weekend. Embedded is not “de facto blocked”.
Well I now can’t unless I disable my VPN. Storefronts would probably like VPN users to be able to use their stores, in which case they might be more interested in an alternative.
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YouTube will not change until people stop using it. And people do not want to put up with the inconvenience of not having a YouTube type service again for the amount of time it would take for YouTube to change or a viable competitor to take their place, it really is that simple.
Are YouTube and Google terrible? For sure, but it only got this way because the only backstop to holding them accountable, the consumer, has proven that they will choose putting up with shitty products and services in the name of convenience 9 times out of 10.
Same reasons that ad tiers are gaining a foothold in streaming services like Netflix. The consumer has shown they are fine with it.
Same reasons that ad tiers are gaining a foothold in streaming services like Netflix. The consumer has shown they are fine with it.
Yep, I remember when Netlfix first put it out there that they would start with the ads, and everyone on reddit was like, “Canceling my Netflix right now!!”
Netflix is doing just fine without the 5 redditors who actually did cancel it. lmao
the problem is so many people are willing to say they’ll take a stand.
but when the time comes, the mindnumbingly overwhelming majority suck it up, because they must have their precious shiny and can not suffer even the mildest of inconvenience.
Its my biggest gripe in gaming, but its a enormous gripe just in general, with everything. because it doesnt matter if you are talking about appliances, creative software, video games, streaming services, stores, etc.
To summarize what I was telling another person. The number of people who care are far outnumbered by the number of people who don’t. It doesn’t matter if you or I or all 10,000 (just a random number for the sake of argument) of the people subscribed to a sub like this were to cancel when r/justworks or r/normie (made up subreddits for the sake of argument) has 100,000,000 who don’t give a damn about computers, privacy, or anything else beyond the service working or not.
I agree. Tech communities have a habit of drastically over estimating how much everyone else cares about the details of tech.
Even something as simple as PC gaming scares off a lot of people because of the perception that you need to be some kind of tech wizard in order to cobble everything together to make a game run. Actual cobbling together of software to pirate (no matter how simple it seems to people in the know) is just a bunch of technobabble.
I have people whom I still need to explain copy and paste to on a regular basis. Trust me, I understand.
this is the primary reason i advocate for more piracy, and even legal protections for piracy, in some capacity.
It’s one of the few spaces i consider to be a “truly free market” when it comes to economics.
I’m more and more inclined towards the idea of piracy myself as time goes on and media continues to shave itself down into more and more ridiculous, unrelated shards, that you have to subscribe to just to be able to SEE if they have what you want.
I don’t actively do it actively since I dont really know where to begin, and things I have found have been to sketch for me, or requiring memberships or even payments to join.
if you’re looking for the babies first torrenting introduction, dbzer0 has a pretty comprehensive guide on it.
Might be worth looking into i2p as well, if you don’t want to spend any money on it at least. Usenets and closed trackers are a weird one, usually based on memberships, but with good quality control of members and content so.
there’s also the *arr stack but im sure there’s a write of that one up on github or something.
I poked around dbzer0 and found a few streaming sites, Nothing which carried anything i was particularly interested in.
Navigating this stuff without my ISP getting pissy is another hurdle, too.
It was much easier 20+ years ago when you just searched KaZaA or Limewire, or back when piratebay was the site (and before it got drowned in virus traps)
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/c/piracy
check out the megathread for generic info and recommendations.
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/30062 specific thread for i2p, there’s plenty more information out there, you can also ask me about a few things as well.
the TL;DR for doing it without ur isp bonking u is to use a VPN, or a seedbox, which are options. Though you’ll ideally want to use anonymous payment services like monero instead of something else, if you really want to be secure.
from what i understand, private trackers are generally fine and secure, aside from the fact that ur isp might not like the traffic, but that’s a fault of the ISP, not the law. torrenting is perfectly legal. Though using a VPN is probably still recommended anyway.
navigating malicious software is kind of hit or miss now, but it’s more likely you’ll find them on bigger reaching platforms, and in actual software, rather than like, mp3s or movies. That’s just basic opsec though. (again private trackers are beneficial for this reason, they have better QA and vetting)
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I know you weren’t using the number 5 as a hard example, but a thing that people still don’t seem to realize is that the people in threads like this are the people that actually care. Even if the few thousand redditors who subscribe to a subreddit where they discussed that topic were to all (and I mean 100% of them) cancel there subscriptions. That is still only a drop in the bucket for Netflix. Losing a few thousand subscribers is still nothing if they made more money with the addition of ads.
It is interesting to me that the chorus always talking about “switching” to piracy after every incident is also intimately familiar with piracy already. Almost as if it’s just people who already pirate talking to each other about how hard they are going to pirate. Meanwhile general audiences don’t care.
Almost as if it’s just people who already pirate talking to each other about how hard they are going to pirate. Meanwhile general audiences don’t care.
this isn’t quite true, we have seen an uptick in piracy over the last few years from the streaming service hyper diversion thats been happening for some time now.
It’s probably not a lot of people, but it is still happening.
these are also the people who would pay more for quality service if it was available.
“Socialist Chaos Trow” lol
Time to pirate YT content and upload to usenet to be automatically downloaded using sonarr
Honestly, it would probably be easier to just build a *arr program specifically for downloading YouTube videos directly. Tie it into the rest of the *arr suite, with naming conventions for Plex/Jellyfin.
I would install that, but I fear scraping youtube will be a arms race, soon, similar to other streaming services
I see we’re pretending the government doesn’t have regulatory power today
You can still watch YouTube without ads using grayjay.app including sponsor block.
Thanks to Louis Rossman
grayjay doesnt have return youtube dislike
It has its own like and dislike system, so it’s not cluttered by yt bots.
oh
It does, you can turn it on in the YouTube plugin settings.
alr i might redownload that app later
We can’t complain about everything, here, considering the circumstances.
yt-dlp still works.
A spark of hope in a dim world.
I’ve seen it go down in some cases on VPNs, so it could be a matter of time (or they’ll find a solution again and the back and forth will just continue).
My god, what if its on google’s chopping block next?
I often consider the scenario.
What would I do if Google straight sniped and headshot every single method of piracy, even embedding the ads into the video?
"He’ll pay now!*
Nah, never. People are more momentary, at least I am. I don’t care if I’m being entertained by “X”. If “X” isn’t worth the trouble, there’s “Y”. The days of everyone even caring to digest the same media as anyone else is over unless your main drugs are pop music, Asmongold reacting to politics and influencers.
You can block YouTube ads simply by connecting to an Albanian VPN server.
Why does that work?
nobody wants to advertise in albania lmao
The elites don’t want you to know but “[y]ou may be able to get Invidious working on residential IP addresses (like at home)”
Following their guide gives a local Invidious client, don’t forget to 1) copy their production compose file instead of using the one on git and 2) change “hmac_key”… from my experience setting up cron (
crontab -e) to restart the docker container once per day keeps the Invidious docker healthy
Edit: here are some alternatives for popular Google services. Not in anyway related to the above (smirk
- Google itself: SearXNG (try searx.be first), one of the easiest services to self-host
- Gmail/calendar: a lot of people seem to swear by one of Proton Mail, Tutanota or Mailbox.org. Self-hosting is possible but challenging
- Google Drive: You mean Nextcloud?
- Google maps: Organic Maps is actually getting pretty good now
- Google Chrome: at the very least there is Chromium… obviously there is Firefox and Firefox forks (such as Librewolf), as well as other smaller browsers
- Google Play: F-Droid hosts a lot of FOSS stuff, and there are alternative ways to access Play (such as Aurora Store)
- Android: a bit more difficult… but there is LineageOS, GrapheneOS, and similar stuff
If you do this, I would be fully prepared to lose access to all your Google services along with anyone else who may use Google services on the same IP. Gmail, Play store, Chrome, etc, etc can easily be wiped out with a ban from Google and this can seriously fuck people’s day up if they’ve used Gmail and have 2FA setup on any external account.
I guess I forgot to take that into consideration… I’m not worried about Google banning my IP since I essentially don’t use any Google services at all and my home IP is hidden behind a wireguard tunnel, but yes that is a valid concern
But I mean someone can just spin it up on their home network so… No way 192.168.0.1:3000 can get someone into trouble right
google probably can detect how invidious accesses their site
Cory wrote about this in his essay, "Unpersoned". I’ve been using gmail as a spam catcher for all the sleazy sites you need to register with, but didn’t realize how I’ve made a trap for myself when, for example, my prescriptions need 2 factor authorization via my gmail. This is going to be a hard one to detangle.
newpiped and freetube will continue to work but piped is also blocked as well
For those who are want something similar to invidious, you can try youtube-local (not my project, I am just a user). It is a minimal python youtube client, and functions similar to other frontends, but runs locally. You lose some amount of privacy (youtube still has a general idea of who is watching with IPs), but it is not very exact, and there is an option to use tor to get the content. You can also enable sponsorblock, or hide yt-shorts.
Sad to hear. Newpipe is still working fine (as of a couple minutes ago) if that helps. That’s through a residential IP. I will try yt-dlp from a data center IP when I get a chance. I hope they haven’t blocked that.
Self hosted option is a docker image. Probably not difficult to set up.
So if Google can ban our IP if caught using this, could you not use some type of dynamic IP mechanism every time they ban the IP?
Probably would be a good idea, I’m guessing this type of thing could be problematic for google if the IP bans started stacking up, probably also if they can’t just look up what the site is using and banning it manually, which let’s be fair and not give them too much credit, is exactly what they’ve been doing. They look up that some invidious or downloader site is hosted on some IP address and block it manually, or blocking its whole range. Something that doesn’t cause many headaches for others outside of those services but would cause a lot of problems if those sites were run with reverse-proxying to dynamic IPs which caused YouTube blocks for legitimate users, including in public places.
I would suggest the devs to be able to create instances from within tor. It would be slow, but impossible to block. Or from any other network that don’t rely on single IP access to YouTube . Or, make a mesh of collaborative home instances. Google can’t block millions of home IPs. Or use any mesh collaborative network capable of it.
TOR exit node IP addresses are well-known. If YouTube wants to, they can just block the TOR network.
Good question why they didn’t already or if they did it already
Piped extractor already did this by implementing ipv6 rotator
Is it possible to add it by invidious ?
Don’t know
I’ve also ran into some issues simply accessing youtube through my vpn, but that’s been going on for a while.
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Wow all this bullying is really convincing me to go back to their shitty platform.
If i can’t access my fav creators anymore itl just motivate me to do sm productive, like building web3
Haven’t you heard? web3 is going great so far!
Oh no, the execution and information thus far has been horrible. You are alluding to blockchain are you? When i look at the website you post i see absolutely nothing that i even recognize as web3 its all cryptostuff.
I don’t get why everybody is so hell-bend on blockchain based internet (sure its decentralized but come on, we’re creative enough to do better). Its like people don’t get the point of “user owned” and are expecting companies to build a better internet for them without serving their own interests.
No, we are going to need to do this ourselves, self host our own data and services, open source everything.
Lemmy and the fediverse are the closest i have seen to being proto web 3 in spirit and there are also still far from perfect.
I have read the “What is web3” from that site and could not disagree on the definition more. I would not be suprised if both the blockchain cults and this website are part of the propaganda machine that is stopping a free internet from happening.
My web3 is aligned much more with this: https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/user-liberation-watch-and-share-our-new-video
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