He’d give up on Ukraine. And call it a win.
The Jews would have had peace if they’d just let themselves be taken to camps peacefully.
This is less funny because Russia literally did commit a holocaust in Ukraine.
or maybe extort them again.
Yea, that infuriated me.
He didn’t answer a single fucking question about anything, just ranted about illegals eating pets the whole time.
He is outing gop for eating pets. He just needs to do it under the radar.
Remember every blame the throw around is admission on their part.
This is why I don’t watch the debate. I know it’ll just piss me off because he won’t say anything but crazy shit.
But it was so crazy that it was incredibly funny. I was doing paraphrases of a lot of his responses in the pinned debate thread in c/news if you’re curious.
The thing is, it isn’t actually funny. we can laugh at the old racist piece of shit criminal but it is actually quite sad and makes me angry that this is where we are.
Yeah I’ll look back and laugh if he loses
I’ll have to check it out! I do enjoy seeing the highlights and memes afterwards lol.
First time?
I was looking forward to what he was going to say about why he blocked the border bill. As expected, he chose to immediately talk about something else.
So weird…
Don’t worry, when Kamala catches and imprisons those illegals she will do transgender surgeries on them
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Translated : I don’t know shit, so you can’t know shit. Corporations are gouging my shit, and I mad at Democrats for it.
I think the proper translation is “Da, let us argue amongst ourselves comrades. American pig dogs do not understand Mother Russia.”
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Lol. Nice one
First, a dozen eggs don’t cost twelve dollars.
Second, in America the currency indicator comes before the number.
Third, “distugested” that’s one hell of a typo
Sounds like a guy who thinks you need a license to buy a loaf of bread.
Why do people think a dozen eggs costs $12?
A quick search turned up this 18 count of eggs for $9 at our local chain. And that was just the first result I found that had the price on the page (you have to click a button to see it, unfortunately, but it is there).
Holy shit that’s a lot for eggs.
At Ralph’s 12 cage free large eggs cost $3.99
Free range (the most expensive if you are conscious about chicken treatment) large eggs are for $7.49
It’s literally on the other side of the planet.
Lol and there’s just no way to get information about something happening on the other side of the planet. Why, it takes our square-riggers six months to sail from there to here!
How is supporting Ukraine related to the egg shortage caused by avian flu?
*Narrator:* It’s not.
I’m hoping Ukraine wins because I’m against imperialism and I respect the sovereignty of other nations. Pretty simple if you ask me.
Ok, that’s a fair statement. Thank you.
I dont have a dog in this fight.
Of course you do. Allowing borders to be redrawn by force isn’t good for stability anywhere.
You think the cost of eggs has something to do with defense spending?
Also, when one country just straight up invades another, it can be pretty easy to choose which side is the aggressor and thus less worthy of support. But that’s just me.
Bring your hate and downvotes. There will be 2 or 3 that understand the situation better than I, and I’m sure that will come and try to educate me.
So if you know this is the case, why would you not just do that research?
I understand the cost of living is very high, but there are numerous factors that play into that and specifically to the example of eggs the war in Ukraine wouldn’t affect that supply chain in a significant way, and the aid also shouldn’t impact it.
Providing aid, beyond preventing the war from being lost, potentially embolding Russia to continue advancing, is simply the right thing to do. Obviously Western nations have the privilege of being at peace, but that doesn’t mean we should blindly turn our backs to the many countries who make our current situation possible through numerous imports and trade.
At the end of the day, you’re entitled to be frustrated by the rising costs of living, and you’re welcome to be angry about the war, but the way you worded your post feels more like willful ignorance than any real attempt to formally become educated.
I appreciate your opinion. I have “done that research” but there will always be someone who is more educated/better informed than I. I’m not so ignorant to believe that I alone know it all or have been better informed than some others.
Providing aid, beyond preventing the war from being lost, potentially embolding Russia to continue advancing, is simply the right thing to do.
I believe this indicates you are not one who is more informed than I. And potentially, it indicates you are less informed. But of course, based on what you understand, you take a stand on what you believe is right, and I fault you none for that.
When people stop caring for the plight of others, we all lose.
I agree, and you get my upvote for a true statement.
But also, I’m not convinced there would be more “plight” in a Russia win. I believe the opposite, in fact. I believe there would be less “plight” and suffering.
There is very much “plight” in their protracted war over there.
So if a group of guys came to your neighbors house and told the family that they’re going to move into it with them, you wouldn’t be for removing them, even if that meant a fight? It would be better to just let them move in because that way no one gets hurt?
And if they successfully move into your neighbor’s house, they might have eyes on your house next.
Russia is trying to take over Ukraine, a sovereign country, by force, and other countries are trying to help Ukraine fight Russia. Yes, people on both sides are dying. Ukrainians apparently overwhelmingly believe it’s worth the fight.
Absolutely not true for many reasons. One of them being that if they let Russia keep what they occupied, it will give Russia time to regroup and keep going.
Number 2, they’re torturing and killing those who don’t support the Russian regime.
So yea, while “stopping the bloodshed” sounds good in theory (That’s why Trump keeps repeating it), it will only embolden Putin and give him time to strengthen his forces and attack again later. This is appeasement and it doesn’t work.
Poland is most certainly next don’t kid yourself.
That would be after the low hanging fruit of Moldova. Neighbors Ukraine, Constitutionally neutral, does not admit stationing foreign military troops on its territory, can only be altered by referendum, and not at all during a state of national emergency, martial law or war.
Where the fuck are you spending that much on eggs?
I’m going to go with “Russia”.
I’m not saying I have better insight about that war, but from my understanding, Ukraine shouldn’t join NATO
Well it’s a good thing that from the understanding of the people who make the choices you’re in the wrong.
I think it should be readily obvious why the USA should defend a country against an act of aggression. For one thing, violating international boundaries and seizing land through war ought to be punished. The precedent should be set that doing so brings about international rebuke and strong consequences. For another, the USA made a security guarantee to Ukraine when they gave up their nuclear weapons. We should make good on it.
Ukraine joining NATO would have prevented this war. Russia isn’t going to war with a country in NATO - just look at the Baltic states. They joined NATO to protect against a possible Russian aggression just like what’s happening now in Ukraine. That worked. It would have worked for Ukraine and it’s part of why I believe Putin pulled the trigger on this before Ukraine was in NATO.
I appreciate you coming with fair enough opinions without personal attacks.
If Ukraine joined NATO, it might not have prevented this attack, and that’s the huge issue. Putin has indicated that it would not have stopped the invasion, which you seem to be educated enough to understand that would probably start WW3.
It would have worked for Ukraine, and it’s part of why I believe Putin pulled the trigger on this before Ukraine was in NATO.
I can believe that because I think Putin doesn’t necessarily want to start WW3. But he has indicated that it wouldn’t have stopped him as well.
I personally don’t believe it’s worth to risk WW3 over the conflict of Ukraine and Russia. The history and issues of Ukraine and Russia are long, complicated, and frankly, IMO, hardly any business of ours.
I’m educated enough to know you’re either deep in a hole of disinformation / misinformation or on Russia’s side. We learned that appeasement doesn’t work with Nazi Germany and other examples, Russia being the latest.
If you know of the history and issues of Russia and Ukraine then you’d know they’re intrinsically linked to the USA and “Western” interests going pretty far back. Plus lots of trade flows through Ukraine and they export a ton of food - it’s important to lots of innocent people who are also impacted by the war even if it’s not by blood loss. The costs in lives is too high but also the costs in material, in trust, in future cooperation between nations has been eroded by Putin’s actions.
I can believe that because I think Putin doesn’t necessarily want to start WW3. But he has indicated that it wouldn’t have stopped him as well
You can’t have it both ways. It’s either he would or would not have. I think recent history has shown the exact opposite of what you claim Putin indicated. Nobody has invaded a NATO country because it works. That’s why the reaction from Finland and Sweden to this Russian invasion was to join NATO after so many years of not being a part of it even bordering the USSR. They know Putin won’t dare attack a member of that alliance. Clearly neutrality did not work when it came to Ukraine. Nor did appeasement, we’re paying for not being tougher in 2016 but the time between then and 2022 was spent strengthening Ukraine’s military precisely to stop the next occurrence of a Russian attack.
How much money do you think we “send over there”?
I think people get confused when they see millions of dollars in aid. They don’t get it’s all equipment that probably wouldn’t have been used again anyway and think the US just prints a bunch of extra cash to send over.
I doubt he even got confused, he’s just regurgitating propaganda.
You… I don’t even know where to begin. You don’t understand how inflation works or how things on the other side of the world can impact us due to a global economy. You should care if Ukraine wins, because burying our head in the sand and carrying about only the US means we’re left to feel the impact of global events were not engaging in.
Lol… you certainly didn’t know where to begin or end. Next time, begin with reading comprehension. The egg example wasn’t correlating inflation with the billions we sent to Ukraine. Money sent to Ukraine isnt directly affecting inflation. Rather, we have our own very important financial issue here in that states, sending billions abroad shouldn’t be a priority over our financial issues here.
You should care if Ukraine wins, because…
Ok, maybe this guy knows something.
burying our head in the sand and carrying about only the US means we’re left to feel the impact of global events were not engaging in.
Haha. Nvm… Help us, Lord.
Dasvidanya, are you and your family safe? Are you being coerced?
Ok bud, you really showed me.
Sorry… I shouldn’t be an ass…
I don’t really care and am distugested
Please don’t be distugested.
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It was obvious as hell that he wants Russia to win.
All we have to do is make him president elect! We don’t even have to inaugurate him!
You’ll get all the Logan act violations you seek if you act now!
he will allow Russia to win yes, in exchange for favours probably
Has he not done enough already for that wretched, glorified petrol station they call a country.
He is in a LOT of debt, financially and politically, to Russia. And he also is desperate to win, because if he loses he’s going to jail. He’ll do anything Putin wants him to
What makes you think he hasn’t already been given the favor years or decades ago and how he’s the one repaying it and he’ll get nothing in return?
Of course he does, he’s a bought man.
Yea, what a POS he is for pretty much admitting this. Not that we didn’t know this already.
I feel like when Harris said that Putin would be sitting in Kyiv, Trump didn’t understand. “Why would he be in Kyiv, Putin would be at home, happier of course” because he’s taking it literally like a fucking idiot.
And yes, Trump, of course Putin would be happier with you in charge when he invaded. The Biden administration gave crucial Intel in the months leading up to the invasion and military support. Harris 100% deserves props for being involved in that.
He also still refused to admit he lost four years ago, and admit any fault or regret for Jan 6th. And he showed zero remorse or awareness about the Central Park Five. Pure deflection for every single question.
He knows he can’t say Russia but he doesn’t want Ukraine to win so he does this.
I don’t know why he can’t say Russia. It’s the obvious truth, his swallowers - sorry, his followers - would lap it up no matter what, and it’s no more or less insane than anything else he says.
His boss sure as shit doesn’t want Ukraine to win.
His boss wants to stay in power, Ukraine is just convenient way of doing it.
Ukraine was a massive fuck up for Putin. He believes in the bullshit known as color revolution.
So he thought he’d pull one in Ukraine. A few years of some soldiers fucking around in the East, then he’d walk in and be welcomed.
Which is fucking stupid.
But Putin has long since killed anyone who would tell him that an idea is stupid, or that people don’t work the way a paranoid, backstabbing KGB trained psychopath thinks they do.
No, Putin fucked up hard due to the dictator trap.
Now he’s scrambling. He’s been killing off rivals and opponents at a breakneck pace the last few years, all because his position has never been weaker.
And he barely managed to diffuse a coup attempt.
He had to use treachery to do it, so the next time, the coup leader will not back down.
No, Putin is desperate to pull out some sort of win in Ukraine, because anything else is the end of his rule, and likely his life.
And he barely managed to diffuse a coup attempt.
Context?
Priggy’s aborted thunder run: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group_rebellion
Ohh, I forgot about that. Not sure if that coup would have made things better, but it was an interesting time.
It would have made shit so much worse, but is a sign of weakness in Putin’s rule.
That’s why Putin is so murder happy right now. He’s having to reconsolidate his rule.
Russian Asset. Better dead than Red.
Americans being so politically illiterate they think that the government they practically installed is somehow communist.
lol remember to vote I guess
Nothing stupider than an American. Well, an American with a political agenda maybe.
What is Red in this context?
C. All of the above.
russia isn’t “red” and never really was to begin with
That’s what annoys me the most. Tankies will go defend Russia like it’s the promised land of communism, when the only remnant of communism it has is rigged elections and propaganda.
To be fair, it has the most boots to be licked and some people have urges that the rest of us will never understand. /S
Someone offended your favorite colonizer!
Quick, to the semantic-debate mobile, we must split the hairs!!
Nah dude, someone took the opportunity to use a slogan originating in witch hunts of people threatening the ruling class in their bleeding of post-war prosperity in America.
This is about some despot using their resources to interfere with what modest self-governance we have in America
Yeah keep dreaming about the communist utopia that will definitely happen… somewhere… at some point… …maybe…?
Communism isn’t Utopian, it isn’t a “perfect model of society” that people simply need to agree with in their minds to adopt. It’s closer to a theory of historical development and analyzing what will come after Capitalism in that long chain of development.
Knowing about it can speed up the process of development, since you can better direct it, but modes of production emerge from what came before.
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Russia isn’t Communist anymore.
Why’d you delete that?
Just to elaborate, my first thought was: “I dislike this anti-Communist Cold War-era hysteria. I’ll post something to try to counter this hysteria.”
And then I realized: Wait. People are going to think I’m “defending” Russia against accusations of being Communist, and I’m tired of people attacking me for being “pro-Russia”, so I deleted it almost immediately.
So, basically, I’ve started to self-censor my thoughts because I find the toxicity of Lemmy exhausting. Go enjoy hunting your Reds under the Bed, and I’m going to do something better with my time, like go outside.
I really wanted Lemmy to work out, but it’s clear to me that this place is as bad as Reddit, just in a different way.
So, basically, I’ve started to self-censor my thoughts because I find the toxicity of Lemmy exhausting. Go enjoy hunting your Reds under the Bed, and I’m going to do something better with my time, like go outside.
I really wanted Lemmy to work out, but it’s clear to me that this place is as bad as Reddit, just in a different way.
Depends on the instance. Lemmy.world tends to be one of the more toxic instances if you left Reddit, it’s trying to recreate Reddit itself, and the users are generally people who loved Reddit but hated Spez in particular for the API crisis.
I decided it wasn’t worth arguing over.
Not only this, but they rephrased the question asking if he thought it would be in America’s best interest to win the war and he declined to answer again…
Putler is betting on trump to win. If Harris wins, it’s over for him.
Well, officially, Putin supports Harris, but who knows with that deranged man.
He endorsed her specifically so that Trump would say that in the debate. And he did.
And how do you, pray tell, know that?
Because I don’t live under a rock.
But you do since you just guess. I quote known sources, and you pull shit out your ass.
Please explain why Putin would endorse the person who says that Ukraine should win the war over the person who won’t say that.
I don’t need to explain anything. Again, I’m just citing facts, and you’re guessing. But honestly, how much do you think your armchair analytics are really worth? Or anyone’s for that matter?
You didn’t quote anything
Here’s a guy who believes things that come out of Putin’s mouth, over his own eyes and his own government.
Remind me, which side just got busted for being literally paid by Russia to post pro-russian propaganda about the election and Ukraine? Wasn’t that conservatives? If Putin wants Kamala, why is Russia paying American conservative influencers millions of dollars to sway voters away from her?
Lmao I don’t really give a damn. I just quoted Putins’ own words, make that what you will and the fact is he supports Harris apparently.
I know you quoted Putin’s own words, that was my whole point lol. He said those words in response to the US GOVERNMENT saying that he is paying conservative influencers to influence the US election.
So, which source do you believe, Putin, or the US government? Go on
I dont really trust, either to be honest. What has the US government said on the matter?
If you’re just going to quote people and accept it as fact, I have the metal scrapping rights for the Eiffel tower for sale and I’m willing to do so for cheap.
Better than armchair conjecture, tbh.
That’s the thing you can’t trust putins own words lmao
That’s because officially Putin knows who he supports has negative connotations for the electorate.
Whoever Putin visibly puts his weight behind is the opposite of who he wants to win.
It’s also so the MAGA rubes (who mostly secretly root for Putin) can say “See Trump don’t balong ta no won cause Pootin was for the Kamunist!”
He of course supports Trump, he just likes to mess around Western politics
Of course, he wants Russia to win, duh
He’s browsing too much hexbear
lol
So much conservative talking points about Kamala is pro-genocide with no evidence.
Like motherfucker, your main boy has zero plans and has a history of flying by the seat of his pants and having Americans killed.
I’m not a conservative and everything you said about Trump is correct.
But Kamala is pro genocide here’s the evidence: https://lemmy.ml/post/19744450
Nothing will fundamentally change
Hes avoiding turning off potential voters just like a typical politician
Putin can’t vote.
I thought Americans (at least the ones who watch MSNBC) all agreed he voted in the 2016 election
All those Republican Senators love MSNBC.
Reminder that Zelenskyy basically called Trump’s bluff on his plan, encouraging him to share it now.
That’s why he’s nothing more than vatnik kompromat.
