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It’s kinda crazy that buying up that much land is cheaper than building parking garages.
In case you didn’t know this is Dodgers Stadium in LA and opened 1962 so land was much cheaper then. Also all the land this stadium sits on was seized via eminent domain for a federally funded housing project but because of socialism the city bought the land from the federal government for pennies on the dollar then the Dodgers bought the land and built the stadium there.
Another fun fact about this stadium is it’s built over a couple ravines. They leveled the top of the surrounding hills and used that dirt to fill in the ravines. The parking lot northwest of third base has a buried elementary school under it.
How did socialism result in the city buying the land for cheap and then selling it to the Dodgers? That sounds like the opposite of socialism.
They’re joking that the welfare state housing projects were called socialism when that’s not socialism at all. We dismantle social democracy initiatives and shoot ourselves in the foot because thats what it means to be an American.
My city bought out some succesful busniesses downtown to demolish their buildings and build a new stadium with surface level parking for all the people who live outside of the city to drive to. Can we at least get a parking garage instead of surface level so we dont have to demolish businesses and homes for the benefits of suburban and rural sports fans? My city is small enough that the footprint of the stadium will be 1/4 or more of the whole downtown area, just sitting there empty for 90% of the time.
Or… a park. No not a car park… a park … with grass and trees.
The kicker is that a vast amount of these stadiums are paid for by tax payers. We’re subsidizing billionaires to build these things that we still have to pay to use instead of investing in public spaces and transportation/infrastructure projects
And I would guess that not all, maybe not even most of them are coming by car.
I saw a concert at the Yankee stadium. It was awesome to be able to take the subway straight from my hotel to the stadium and back.
What I don’t like about this, is that a stadium hardly holds people at a sort of normal density. People take up a bunch more space in their day to day lives than inside a stadium. Stadiums are literally built to facilitate this.
I’m not saying the sentiment is bad but the example is.
It’s a good image for transportation though. Pedestrians walking somewhere can absolutely get as tight as they do in a stadium.
I can get on board with that
in the US, for sure
The Alamodome in San Antonio has a great park-and-ride system where you just park at a designated lot 10-15 mins from the stadium and a bus takes you there and back. Even a solution like that to bridge the gap while trains are built would help. It reduces congestion around the stadium area and also reduces the stress of finding parking.
Parking for vehicles doesn’t have to take up all that space. Multilevel car parks or even underground parking would take care of most of the wasted space.
So just build another second stadium-sized building next to the stadium sized building? (Or below it)
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I’m not arguing against that. I’m pointing out the fact that parking infrastructure is so expensive that even on high-value land you get the kind of thing in the picture. Building dense parking next to that particular stadium isn’t worth it.
A stadium alone isn’t enough to make a parking garage underground worth the cost of building it.
It has to already be surrounded by dense development. A train station right next to it, all that space taken up by parking instead covered in businesses, restaurants, homes, etc. Then the garage is serving way more than just the stadium and the return is massively multiplied.
Except these cities place stadiums and other points of congregation far apart from each other, specifically so there’s space for the roads for everyone to drive between them. Putting vertically dense parking next to those various points doesn’t solve the wasted space problem, it just makes everything way more expensive.
I used to live near Fenway Park in Boston, and one of the reasons I left was parking. It was a great location for transit and I used that for day to day stuff, but couldn’t entirely give up my car. However, even being willing to pay Boston prices for parking, everything I checked was “except during Fenway events”. I could pay ridiculous money to keep a car in, but would still have to move it for games
No no no. Build it ABOVE the stadium. Make it like a tower that just goes up and up and up… And the ground level is the stadium.
It would be so ugly, and it would make me laugh so hard.
Except that cars are heavy, so multi-level parking is prohibitively expensive.
That’s a good point and, in retrospect, the multilevel is almost better for the comparison as the people are also multilevel.
Recently had an opportunity to go there, for the first time, a few days ago. After parking in the lot, it was a mile walk to the stadium. The bus from Union Station drops you off near the entrance.
That bus is free with a ticket to the game.
I don’t necessarily agree with this decision, but Vegas Raiders stadium has virtually zero parking.
Need? Nah man the extra room is to tailgate
I do want to point out that stadiums in the US are built with parking because of tailgating culture, or more cynically the ability to charge for tailgating culture.
I think you have the cause and effect backwards.
I don’t think you understand how the passage of time works. Modern stadiums were built in a world where tailgating culture for sports was already well established.
How much of those parking lots do you think is dedicated to tailgating? (Hint: It’s a minor fraction of the overall surface lots).
Tailgating originates out of the lack of nearby bars, restaurants, public spaces around stadiums. That’s why there’s a trend of newly-built/in-planning stadiums in urban areas with entertainment districts attached. They’ve realized there’s money to be made, and creating walkable spaces just puuumps out the cash.
