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End femicide!
Curious downvotes on this one.
Lemmy is a quite misogynistic place.
Its often no fun to be a woman on here. They might rip you apart, if you say something slightly feminist (depending on where you say it). Made me think of leaving several times already.
Please don’t leave! Keep speaking your mind, if enough of us stick it out we can drown out the users like Captain Asshole here.
I understand if you do, but I hope you won’t. I like this place despite its flaws and I hope it won’t turn into a far right community.
Block anyone or any instance you find regularly being outright misogynistic and slowly, but surely, create a better place for yourself.
The problem is that blocking only solves the smaller issue and basically sweeps Lemmy’s sexism under the rug instead of addressing why sexism is so prevalent in leftist spaces. And I don’t think it’s up to women to educate men on this, it’s up to men to educate other men on this. We have to keep in mind how exhausting it is for women to 1) deal with sexist shit and then 2) basically be told they have to teach men about [traumatic things that they’ve been through and shouldn’t have to re-experience by talking to men]
Wouldn’t sexism be even more prevalent in right-wing spaces? Or would you say that it’s pretty evenly distributed over the political spectrum?
Sexism is prevalent in right-wing spaces as well. I’d say it’s more prevalent and predictable in right wing spaces, but it’s still prevalent and IMO far more disappointing in leftist spaces from people who supposedly claim they’re progressive.
Please don’t leave. We all need you here. (But I understand if you do…)
You’re not alone! Please stay!
It’s not misogynistic to not want the half of humanity that gets murdered multiple times more often (over 3x in the US) than the other, to be erased as victims.
You obviously don’t (want to) know what ‘femicide’ actually is.
It’s true, that the total percentage of men getting murdered is higher. But they do not get murdered for their gender. Nor are they being murdered mostly by women.
When we speak of femicide, we talk about that women are disproportionately murdered by their partners or ex- partners and family members. The most dangerous place for a women is her own home.
Most attempts on a woman’s life are done by her spouse. And in the past, these murders and attempted murders were often ignored or disregarded, because it’s “just” a domestic dispute. It happens…
But the number of femicides worldwide are actually rising significantly. And that’s why its important to call it out and shine light on it. We can’t just shrug at another ex boyfriend who set his girlfriend on fire.
This doesn’t erase male murder victims, but makes usually invisible female victims visible. The same way that women’s right are not taking away any rights from men. You are not being repressed by women having equal rights.
When people talk about a high rate of deaths from barfights or whatever, that doesn’t erase victims from robberies. You only cry about victims being erased, because its women we talk about.
You don’t even have to take my word for it.
https://www.womankind.org.uk/resource/a-femicide-factsheet-global-stats-calls-to-action/
https://www.statista.com/chart/31326/estimated-number-of-female-homicides-by-family-and-partners/
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/10/states-must-eradicate-femicide-globally-un-expert
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@captain_aggravated please shut up and stop proving the point that people like you exist on the internet. Go touch grass.
Lemmy is filled with the most opinionated kind of Redditors and Russians it can fit on the servers, it’s a moderator miracle it didn’t go full incel.
Hopefully it was from the perspective that the comment is not helpful in reducing the number of murders of women.
I don’t know, I don’t personally see the harm in merely motivational comments or rants. But I thought it might be that.
I honestly have no idea how any Lemmy comment might be helpful at reducing the murders of women.
Maybe if they proposed some policy, or shared some stats and facts, instead of merely a statement of hope.
Not really. Specifically saying “end femicide” is like fundraising for breast cancer treatment, but only for men, who are a small minority of those with breast cancer.
You are over three times less likely to be a victim of murder (in the US at least) if you are a woman, than a man.
There is zero reason to oppose murder of one sex any more or less than the other, and it takes the same amount of effort to voice opposition for both, as for only one. So going out of your way to advocate only for the half of the population that suffers this fate far less often, understandably comes off as sexist and callous, to the objective observer.
How many in that statistic are men being killed by women? How many of those murders are the result of gang violence that’s predominantly committed against men by other men?
I assume you’re referring to this stat:
In 2022, the FBI reported that 14,441 men and 4,251 women were murdered in the United States.
… which equates to about 79% of all murders.
There’s a lot of nuance in that broad, sweeping statistic, but here are some statistics that are more clear:
In the same year, there were 15,094 male murder offenders and 2,107 female murder offenders.
… so the problem isn’t that more men are being murdered in general, but that an overwhelmingly larger number of men are murderers, and they target each other quite a bit. Gang violence stats are wrapped up in that 79%, and most gang violence is male-on-male.
Here’s another:
Among homicides in the United States, intimate partners kill almost 50% of female and 10% of male victims.
Many of these stats are situational, making that overly-broad figure misleading.
Also, the likelihood of being murdered increases quite a bit when a woman is pregnant:
In 2020, the homicide rate for pregnant or postpartum women was 5.23 per 100,000 live births, which is 35% higher than the rate for non-pregnant and non-postpartum women.
And that doesn’t include all the violent sexual crimes against women and girls, that are also committed at a far higher rate than against men and boys.
The overarching fact seems to be that men kill men a lot, and they also kill women an order of magnitude more often than women kill men, so maybe the problem here is men’s propensity for violence.
e: If that’s what you meant, I agree, we should be finding and implementing ways to reduce male toxicity in general, which includes many things like supporting mental health care and opposing norms (mostly within the online ‘manosphere’) that promote and foster toxic rather than healthy masculinity.
You are over three times less likely to be a victim of murder (in the US at least) if you are a woman, than a man.
There is a big difference in intent. Do these 3x times men been murder just for been a man?
The femicide(at least in a decent country) is a category of crime, a discriminatory crime, is not a normal murder, is associated with rape or domestic violence, etc.
How many in that statistic are men being killed by women?
Thinking this is a question of any merit already exposes you. It does not matter, at all, what sex a murder victim’s murderer is, to the victim–they are equally dead.
The attempt to minimize male victimhood with this insane implication of ‘if the perpetrator is the same sex, it doesn’t count’ is actually pathetic. For shame.
Reminder that the vast, vast, vast majority of males have never and will never murder anyone, despite these disgusting sexist narratives.
There is a big difference in intent.
Literally irrelevant. The victim is no less murdered. What kind of ridiculous justification is this for devaluing male victims?
‘But the reason they were killed isn’t as bad (according to me)!’
Who in their right mind gives a shit? They’re still murdered! ‘I know your son was murdered, but don’t worry, the motive wasn’t one of the (in my opinion) really bad ones’. Seriously?
So to push this absurd ‘logic’ just a bit further, if the same number of women were murdered, but the motives were in alignment, incidence-wise, with murdered men, this would be an improvement, in your view, even though the same amount of killing has occurred. Because motive makes a murder more or less bad, apparently. Absolutely absurd.
‘Sure men are killed way way more often, but people who kill women are (I assume, hehe) more likely to do it for a way more worser reason’ is some of the dumbest, flailing, desperate attempts I have ever seen to minimize and erase male victimhood.
I’ll just say this: End femicide.
If the sex of a murder victim changes, at all, how you perceive the crime, you’re sexist, period.
At least have the guts to admit it instead of pretending this is a noble stance.
The sex, gender, ethnicity etc of the victim, and the perpetrator, can give very important context that can point to very important issues that needs to be dealt with. If you’re alluding to the actual deaths of the victims being equally bad no matter their gender because they are all humans, then congratulations for passing the lowest threshold for human decency.
Wanting to end femicide doesn’t mean you value women more than men, it’s pointing to a specific issue. It also doesn’t mean that other issues doesn’t matter.
If you’re alluding to the actual deaths of the victims being equally bad no matter their gender because they are all humans, then congratulations for passing the lowest threshold for human decency.
Yeah, and as low as that is, there are many in here who don’t pass it, so shame on them.
Wanting to end femicide doesn’t mean you value women more than men, it’s pointing to a specific issue. It also doesn’t mean that other issues doesn’t matter.
It’s the same sort of thing as when there was that big statement made some years back about ‘stop targeting women journalists’, alongside a statistic that 11% of the journalists who were killed over the prior year were women. In other words, ‘89% of killed journalists are men, so stop killing women’. At best, a statement like that comes off as foolishly ignorant–at worst, it comes off as callous and indifferent to male victims.
Everything has context, and context matters. Your can look at any issue from different perspectives and through different lenses. From different perspectives, different aspects of the context might be of different significance, etc. As such, there could very well be a perfectly fine reason to say “stop targeting women journalists”. But that doesn’t, at all, mean other perspectives are invalid.
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Wtf are you talking about. What a weird thing to write. I’m very much not OK with being murdered thank you very much.
Listen, cut him some slack - it’s really hard to keep your hands dry when you’re writing inside of a bubble. They’re very soapy, and you can’t move too much or they’ll pop.
That’s awful
Just terrible.
If there were some kind of global women’s vigilante network to handle these things, I would definitely not snitch.
Yeah, that never goes wrong.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/oct/29/vigilante-murder-paedophile-bristol-bijan-ebrahimi
Mob justice going wrong? No way!
RIP. This is just such a sad story. I hoped things went better. I hoped she would recover. I guess the guy mentioning the 75% burn was not survivable was right this time.
Wow. I hate humans: we were a mistake
*are
Hey that’s Fred Rogers you’re talking about here!
It’s the Exception that proves the rule, is it not?
I wish the majority or at least a lot of people were like Mr. Rogers, but truth is, he was exceptional.
Can someone explain where the notion of an exception proving the rule came from? This has never made the slightest bit of sense to me, lol.
I remember wrestling with that for years. I dunno, my last interpretation of it was the fact that if it was rare and considered an exception then the rule has a point?
I dunno. I’m more than likely wrong but that’s as far as I could go with it.
He wasnt human. He was a spirit of light.
Okay JFC who sets someone on fire over a land dispute!? I mean I’d be all for lighting, say, Kim Jong Un on fire, but that guy’s a mad murdering sociopath. I dunno what penalties there are for egregiously horrible murder, but that guy deserves it.
Are there special punishments or charges for deluxe murder? Like murder with extra suffering? IDK humanity is pretty fucked up.
When my family murdered folks over land disputes the other folks did it first, we also used guns and a ditch. Seriously burning someone alive is something ya leave to trench fighters.
What are you, a Hatfield?
Nah, just a member of an American-Scots family who historically pissed off a lot of people. From Yankees to dixies, and Mormons to Adventists we’ve pissed on them all.
😫
Seems like a Vat of acid would be justified there
I could have that arranged.
The vats aren’t too big, but we have a few different acids. Nitric, hydrochloric, hydrofluoric, a few others.
Id go with hydroflouric.
releases fake bones so the mob boss won’t suspend anything.
Been watching rick n morty i see
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Women would be so much better off with out us.
How about we instead keep on teaching men healthy masculinity and create the foundations for a better society rather than keep “banning” everything bad.
An all women/men world would still have evil perpetrators.
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I terrify my wife. When she comes home I hide next to the fridge and I say “BOO!” and I get her just about every time. Then I hug my kids and finish making dinner.
Your pity party here is a self-fulfilling prophecy and screams white knight and all that. You can do better, get out of your head.
News only reports like this and it skews peoples perceptions. For example, I’m a guy. This last weekend I took my friend and all her kids (all girls) out for amusement park, festival, swimming, gifts, and any food they wanted out weekend before school starts. I paid for everything. You won’t find it in the news, Why’d I do it, because they moved to a new city far away from their friends so I wanted to start all the girls on a very happy note for school starting.
No one owes you examples. Men are not inherently evil and women are not inherently good. People, all people, have the capacity for both good and evil.
Some, not all, hopefully not most.
But Jesus, so many of us suck so hard.
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Great, start with yourself
Yeah, the bear argument applies here. The bear would just kill you. Man would make you suffer.
