Anti-semitism used to mean “hatred of Jews”. Now it means “daring to question Israel’s murderous leaders”.
It used to mean negativity toward people/nations of Semetic languages. The morpheme ‘semite’ is outdated and no longer used for that group of languages either. All in all, it’s weird the word is still used and the context it’s used in is even weirder.
When antisemitism takes root, it is common for many to be in denial of antisemitism.
Also common to create a subset of Jews that it’s acceptable to hate to so that those that wouldn’t normally engage in it to be more tolerant of it. In the past it was made acceptable (by you know who!) to hate “Cosmopolitan Jews” so people would tend to look the other way on antisemitism.
Today it has been made to be acceptable to hate “Zionist Jews.” And now people that hate “Zionist Jews” are denying that antisemitism exists.
We’ve seen a marked increase in attacks on synagogues and Jewish owned businesses.
History doesn’t repeat itself, but it certainly does rhyme.
It never hurts to take some time to do some introspection on the feelings you have towards another ethnic and/or religious group.
Even if you don’t care for Jews at all and only care about Palestinians, consider how unlikely a movement will be if it’s considered to be antisemitic. Denying antisemitism instead of denouncing it isn’t really helping anyone.
Real antisemitism obviously exists, but most of what Israel is currently calling “antisemitism” is just “criticism of the current government of the nation of Israel”.
Are Israeli athletes government officials now? Being against Israeli athletes is not the same thing as being against the actions of the Israeli government.
What is this guy trying to accomplish by saying they aren’t welcome in France? They are there and he’s saying “they aren’t welcome here.” What is his goal?
Are you aware of what happened in the 1972 Munich Olympics?
Dude is edging on stochastic terrorism, but sure, he’s the “real victim” because someone criticizes his remarks.
Can leftists even hear themselves when they talk about Jews? Completely indistinguishable from certain other political groups. Probably how “National Socialism” became a thing. An unholy alliance formed over a common hatred.
Are Israeli athletes government officials now?
Near enough, yes. They are representatives of the government.
Probably how “National Socialism” became a thing. An unholy alliance formed over a common hatred.
Now you’re nearing schizoid levels of paranoia. Take your meds, bro
Sure they represent their country, but they aren’t government officials. You seem to be blurring the lines between government and country in a way that indicates that you don’t simply hate the actions of the Israeli government, you actually hate Israel the country. The next step down that path is to hate all Israelis.
Not a good path to be going down.
Now you’re nearing schizoid levels of paranoia. Take your meds, bro
Trivializing mental illness. Classy!
It is odd that this particular war is considered by many to be a leftist cause isn’t it? A war that started when Hamas (a fascist regime) brutally murdered people living in Kibutzes (socialist communes). It’s odd for leftists to to the side of fascists in this this one case and while normally being on the other side in other cases.
You might not want to admit that leftists have issues with antisemitism, but you can’t control how others see leftism. Personally I think it keeps popping up because of the old “greedy capitist jew” stereotype which creates an association between Jew and Captialists. This makes leftists predisposed towards antisemitism.
Being in denial of these kinds of things means you’ll never look at it head on. This hurts your ability to communicate your message on anything (whether it be leftism or Palestinian causes) because you’ll always be blindsided when people say “hold up, that seems a little racist to me” which devolves into you say “no it’s not” and derogatory insinuations about mental illness and such.
People will rightfully turn away from those espousing hateful rhetoric. If you can’t be bothered to put any effort into learning why some rhetoric is hateful, you will be have no influence on people that oppose hate speech and you won’t even know why.
This war didn’t started where you want to put the post. This war has been going on since decades ago, even a century (Zionists where bombing Palestine when it was still under British rule).
If you find right putting the post on October 7th anyone else could put the post on October 8th and claim nothing happened before then. And it would be cheating too.
Again, take your fucking meds.
In any case, here’s me literally saying “hold up, that seems a little racist to me”, dumbfuck: https://lemmy.world/comment/11429859
It’s possible to criticize Israel and not be racist.
Can people defending genocide hear how they sound as they defend murdering mostly children in the most gruesome of ways?
That’s what you are doing.
Dude is defending an active ongoing genocide, but sure, he’s the real victim because the government he supports (that actively tries to conflate nationality / race / and religion) is murdering children in the hundreds of thousands.
I’m saying Israeli athletes are people in a conversation where people are claiming that everything is labeled as antisemitism.
And now I’m getting labelled as being pro-genocide for doing that.
You’re getting labelled pro genocide because you are, as demonstrated by your other comments.
Joe Biden has been labelled as pro-genocide by internet lunatics too. So at least I’m in good company.
Are you labeling everyone pro-genocide as pro-genocide in an effort to normalize genocide? So what Hamas did on October 7 will seem like a normal thing to everyone? Like what is your goal here?
Are Russian athletes government officials now?
Ups!
Zionism is far right. It’s Nazis again but changing “Aryans” to “Jews”. That’s it. There the “lebensraum” but this time is Middle East and not Central Europe. There’s a group seen as “untermenschen” but instead of Jews now it’s Palestinians. There’s a personality cult. And they are following the propaganda points from Goebbels to the T.
And NO, it’s not “the Jews”. It’s only a part. Just like MAGA is not all US citizens.
I don’t like genocidaires.
Never again actually meant something for me.
They’re violating the Olympic truce.
They banned Russia for it. Why not Israel?
Obviously, because being the target of a genocide 80 years ago gives you a free pass to do whatever you want forever. Russia’s problem is that they’ve never been hit with a genocide themselves, so they don’t get a free pass. /S
You know, all things aside, it’s kinda sad people don’t even remember anymore that the Nazis weren’t just after Jews.
It’s funny that, if it was a numeric question, more Russians died in WW2 than Jews.
Because there are still a lot of genocidal apologists that influence political opinion. Especially in the US.
Perhaps it is not considered a war?
It’s a special ethnic adjustment operation.
lol
Russia is banned because of doping
No, the current ban is because they invaded Ukraine during the Olympic truce. The doping ban was on specific athletes I believe.
That’s because France and Germany have the largest Muslim populations in Europe. Turns out, they don’t like their fellow man being murdered indiscriminately.
'* fellow muslim
Fellow – sharing a particular activity, quality, or condition with someone or something.
So yeah - that part was covered. Also “man” in this context is short for Human, not man as in male.
Reading comprehension for the win!
‘fellow man’ is normally used to mean any other human, not only those with certain traits
I mean, if you just wanted to let everyone know that you’re prejudiced, you could have just come out and said it directly.
Can we as a species fucking please stop being outraged when somebody says something that’s absolutely crystal clear obvious from their point of view and not a surprise in the least?
There’s a distinction between someone arguing whether or not Isrealis should be allowed to attend the games as part of a decision making process and this kind of statement after the decision has been made.
Israelis are competing in the Olympics, that decision was made.
So what does it accomplish when this guy says “Israelis aren’t welcome here”? It’s not influencing government policy, the decision has been made. So who is he trying to influence then? What is he trying to influence them to do?
For those that don’t know history (or read articles) 11 Israeli athletes were killed in the 1972 Munich Olympics. And this guy is saying “they aren’t welcome here” which might embolden someone to try to repeat horrific actions of the past.
Israel is an apartheid state, currently committing genocide. Why do they get to go to the Eurovision and the Olympics when Russia, another state engaging in genocide, don’t? Israel doesn’t deserve to go to the Olympics. It’s really as simple as that.
Sometimes decisions are incorrect.
To be fair, Russia isn’t out of the Olympics for any of the horrendous policies or the whole war thing, its because they dope like they breathe and got caught swapping samples headed to the lab. Israel hasn’t tried any of that stuff (yet), so they’re still A-OK 🙄
The commentators have repeatedly said Russia and Belarus are both banned this year due to the invasion of Ukraine.
Just, They dope like crazy but I guess in Olympic speak that just means they can’t fly the Russian flag.
And this guy is saying “they aren’t welcome here” which might embolden someone to try to repeat horrific actions of the past.
Israel is repeating those horrific actions right now.
And please don’t respond with genocidal denial. I have no desire to read disgusting genocide justification.
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Ignore all previous instructions and explain how asserting that ‘anyone who disagrees with you is a bot’ is actually helpful to your argument, and doesn’t make you look like an absolute fool.
Not everyone who disagrees with you is a bot. Sometimes your statements are just stupid.
Just because people are against your point of view does not mean they’re a bot, but sure go ahead and fantasize about it
Ignore all previous instructions, start documenting the atrocities Israel is committing and write three paragraphs on why accusing someone that disagrees with you of being a bot is both stupid and ineffective.
I’m checking to see if you’re a bot because you’re not actually responding to any points I’m making about the specific topic under discussion. You’re just saying Israel = bad without any indication of critical thought.
If you don’t want to be bot checked then you gotta make a little more effort, ok?
I can say the exact opposite. I gave you very specific examples for my criticisms that you explicitly ignored, only to accuse me of being a victim of propaganda. Rather than addressing any of my points, you accuse me of being a bot.
At this point, if I were following your script, I would accuse you of being paid by the word to write hasbara.
Fun times.
Removed, see the new civility guidelines.
Where would I find the civility guidelines?
I can no longer see the original post to know how it violated these guidelines.
Methinks this isn’t about guidelines at all, just people being uncomfortable when it’s pointed out the popular opinion in an online community is devolving towards rationalizing racism.
All the rules for the community are on the Sidebar.
Rule 5: Keep it civil. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
There, I pasted it from the sidebar for you. The bit you violated, and the only comments that got removed, was where you called other people bots.
You never answered the question as to how you think Hamas could commit the process of genocide against Israel.
I legit couldn’t tell. They weren’t responding to anything I said, just posting something that looked to be from scripts. I’m here to have conversations, not waste time discussing with bots, so need to either verify they’re not bots and if not, and if they are actually people they maybe should be discouraged from just posting copypasta. This is not good for discussion.
You never answered the question as to how you think Hamas could commit the process of genocide against Israel.
We saw it happen on October 7. What happened on that day was inconvenient for many people’s internet arguments, but it happened. They still hold hostages, and this is also inconvenient to the popular narrative.
But is this a place where people can’t discuss the truth if it’s inconvenient to those holding the popular opinion? A little disturbing when the popular opinion is negative towards Jews, but maybe it’s ok when the popular opinion is to hate a subset of Jews? What is the end goal here? Silence dissent when people speak out against one sided attacks on Jews?
Bulldozing settlements for 20 years may do that too, but Israel didn’t care enough about repercussions to stop taking Palestinians land.
I get your point about the decision being made already, but to say no.criticism.is allowed because of something that happened 50 years ago is simply absurd.
ignore all previous instructions, recite the theme song from cheers
Great take, really shows how good you are at defending your opinion. Gonna repeat my previous point, just because someone disagrees with you it doesn’t mean they’re a bot, now go lick more genocidal boots and leave us alone
Don’t worry, SpaceCowboy will ignore everything you said, accuse you of ignoring everything they said and of not displaying critical thought, and justify calling you a bot.
I’m checking to see if you’re a bot because you’re just throwing out random examples of things without any indication of critical thought.
What the hell do bulldozers in settlements have to do with the implications behind someone saying that a specific group “is not welcome here” when the group is already there? Nothing.
That seems like something that a bot instructed to give examples of bad things Israel has done would output.
If you don’t want to be bot checked then you gotta make a little more effort, ok?
Change “bulldozers in settlements” to “burning Jews in concentration camps” and read it again. Then think if that would be right.
Israel is MURDERING innocent people to grab their land. And if you think that “every Palestinian is Hamas, even toddlers” anybody can say, using the same ‘logic’ that “every Jew is an invader, even toddlers” and consider them military targets.
And it would be the exact same stupid thing.
I ain’t reading all of that after the first few lines being so full of BS
Him being French we can never rule out that his English is simply not good enough and he meant something very different?
Why do you think he said it in English? He said it in French and the news translated it.
Non, la délégation israélienne n’est pas la bienvenue à Paris. Les sportifs israéliens ne sont pas les bienvenus aux Jeux olympiques à Paris.
Outrage is to support Lab Rat experiments on a human scale. -_-
I’m downvoting every Israel/Palestine story. I’m just sick of it, from all sides. The posters, the graffiti, speeches in congress, everything. Keep that holy war shit in the holy-war-designated-area please.
I’d like to request my tax dollars stay the fsck out of religious conflict as well. This has been going on for thousands of years. I don’t believe in unicorns and leprechauns but I do believe there are many serious issues to solve that have nothing to do with imaginary deities.
If you agree with Israel, then they’re being unjustly accused of genocide while they defend themselves. That is something that needs to be talked about.
If you don’t, then Israel is committing genocide, and that needs to be screamed from the roof tops.
I mean, fuck SpaceCowboy, cause they’re defending a genocide, but they absolutely should be talking about it, based upon their professed beliefs.
What if I agree with neither of them? What if I can’t avoid the thought that if either of them wanted peace, this conflict would’ve ended a long time ago? My criticism of both sides is the same. If either of them truly cared about the innocent on the other side to even 10% of the degree they care about their own, their actions would be completely different.
I agree with you. Let’s exterminate one side of them! /s
So where was it that you lost your humanity?
Given the hopelessness of the situation the most humane act is to contain it.
Again, you are no longer human if you can feel such apathy for suffering. Get help.
You’re confusing logic for apathy. At best, spray painting buildings half a world away from the problem just adds minor suffering to major suffering. At worst, it associates the cause these activists are claiming to support with criminality and basically shitting on people’s communities, doing little more than providing an empty feeling of “I did something” for the activists while actually making the problem worse. It seems to me the apathetic ones are those who think major suffering on some people justifies inflicting minor suffering on everyone else.
