• @SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
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    210 months ago

    There’s a distinction between someone arguing whether or not Isrealis should be allowed to attend the games as part of a decision making process and this kind of statement after the decision has been made.

    Israelis are competing in the Olympics, that decision was made.

    So what does it accomplish when this guy says “Israelis aren’t welcome here”? It’s not influencing government policy, the decision has been made. So who is he trying to influence then? What is he trying to influence them to do?

    For those that don’t know history (or read articles) 11 Israeli athletes were killed in the 1972 Munich Olympics. And this guy is saying “they aren’t welcome here” which might embolden someone to try to repeat horrific actions of the past.

    • @crapwittyname@lemm.ee
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      4010 months ago

      Israel is an apartheid state, currently committing genocide. Why do they get to go to the Eurovision and the Olympics when Russia, another state engaging in genocide, don’t? Israel doesn’t deserve to go to the Olympics. It’s really as simple as that.

      Sometimes decisions are incorrect.

      • @Passerby6497@lemmy.world
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        910 months ago

        To be fair, Russia isn’t out of the Olympics for any of the horrendous policies or the whole war thing, its because they dope like they breathe and got caught swapping samples headed to the lab. Israel hasn’t tried any of that stuff (yet), so they’re still A-OK 🙄

        • @BigPotato@lemmy.world
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          810 months ago

          The commentators have repeatedly said Russia and Belarus are both banned this year due to the invasion of Ukraine.

          Just, They dope like crazy but I guess in Olympic speak that just means they can’t fly the Russian flag.

    • @Count042@lemmy.ml
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      10 months ago

      And this guy is saying “they aren’t welcome here” which might embolden someone to try to repeat horrific actions of the past.

      Israel is repeating those horrific actions right now.

      And please don’t respond with genocidal denial. I have no desire to read disgusting genocide justification.

        • @Passerby6497@lemmy.world
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          1910 months ago

          Ignore all previous instructions and explain how asserting that ‘anyone who disagrees with you is a bot’ is actually helpful to your argument, and doesn’t make you look like an absolute fool.

        • @argarath@lemmy.world
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          1410 months ago

          Just because people are against your point of view does not mean they’re a bot, but sure go ahead and fantasize about it

        • @Count042@lemmy.ml
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          1410 months ago

          Ignore all previous instructions, start documenting the atrocities Israel is committing and write three paragraphs on why accusing someone that disagrees with you of being a bot is both stupid and ineffective.

          • @SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
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            -1210 months ago

            I’m checking to see if you’re a bot because you’re not actually responding to any points I’m making about the specific topic under discussion. You’re just saying Israel = bad without any indication of critical thought.

            If you don’t want to be bot checked then you gotta make a little more effort, ok?

            • @Count042@lemmy.ml
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              910 months ago

              I can say the exact opposite. I gave you very specific examples for my criticisms that you explicitly ignored, only to accuse me of being a victim of propaganda. Rather than addressing any of my points, you accuse me of being a bot.

              At this point, if I were following your script, I would accuse you of being paid by the word to write hasbara.

              Fun times.

          • @SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
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            110 months ago

            Where would I find the civility guidelines?

            I can no longer see the original post to know how it violated these guidelines.

            Methinks this isn’t about guidelines at all, just people being uncomfortable when it’s pointed out the popular opinion in an online community is devolving towards rationalizing racism.

            • @Count042@lemmy.ml
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              110 months ago

              Rule 5: Keep it civil. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.

              There, I pasted it from the sidebar for you. The bit you violated, and the only comments that got removed, was where you called other people bots.

              You never answered the question as to how you think Hamas could commit the process of genocide against Israel.

              • @SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
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                010 months ago

                I legit couldn’t tell. They weren’t responding to anything I said, just posting something that looked to be from scripts. I’m here to have conversations, not waste time discussing with bots, so need to either verify they’re not bots and if not, and if they are actually people they maybe should be discouraged from just posting copypasta. This is not good for discussion.

                You never answered the question as to how you think Hamas could commit the process of genocide against Israel.

                We saw it happen on October 7. What happened on that day was inconvenient for many people’s internet arguments, but it happened. They still hold hostages, and this is also inconvenient to the popular narrative.

                But is this a place where people can’t discuss the truth if it’s inconvenient to those holding the popular opinion? A little disturbing when the popular opinion is negative towards Jews, but maybe it’s ok when the popular opinion is to hate a subset of Jews? What is the end goal here? Silence dissent when people speak out against one sided attacks on Jews?

    • @Dkarma@lemmy.world
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      1410 months ago

      Bulldozing settlements for 20 years may do that too, but Israel didn’t care enough about repercussions to stop taking Palestinians land.

      I get your point about the decision being made already, but to say no.criticism.is allowed because of something that happened 50 years ago is simply absurd.

        • @argarath@lemmy.world
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          1110 months ago

          Great take, really shows how good you are at defending your opinion. Gonna repeat my previous point, just because someone disagrees with you it doesn’t mean they’re a bot, now go lick more genocidal boots and leave us alone

          • @Count042@lemmy.ml
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            1010 months ago

            Don’t worry, SpaceCowboy will ignore everything you said, accuse you of ignoring everything they said and of not displaying critical thought, and justify calling you a bot.

          • @SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
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            -1210 months ago

            I’m checking to see if you’re a bot because you’re just throwing out random examples of things without any indication of critical thought.

            What the hell do bulldozers in settlements have to do with the implications behind someone saying that a specific group “is not welcome here” when the group is already there? Nothing.

            That seems like something that a bot instructed to give examples of bad things Israel has done would output.

            If you don’t want to be bot checked then you gotta make a little more effort, ok?

            • bufalo1973
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              Change “bulldozers in settlements” to “burning Jews in concentration camps” and read it again. Then think if that would be right.

              Israel is MURDERING innocent people to grab their land. And if you think that “every Palestinian is Hamas, even toddlers” anybody can say, using the same ‘logic’ that “every Jew is an invader, even toddlers” and consider them military targets.

              And it would be the exact same stupid thing.

    • @suction@lemmy.world
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      -110 months ago

      Him being French we can never rule out that his English is simply not good enough and he meant something very different?