Assuming proper training and ammunition, they’re perfectly capable for hunting small to medium game such as rabbits, coyotes, tyrants, wild hogs, and whitetail deer.
I don’t think some people know how much damage a pack of wild hogs can cause to crops and farmland in short order. If it wasn’t going to be an AR-15 keeping them off the farm it would be another intermediate or higher caliber semi-automatic rifle that accepts standard magazines. Everyone want’s to laugh at that excuse until the farmer has a bad season and has to sell his land to Bill Gates or Chinese investors, they don’t exactly make large margins.
The magazine capacity is an issue though. The standard 30 round mag is far to large for any realistic hunting purposes (you can also get up to 100 round drum mags). While you can hunt with an AR-15, it’s not the best rifle for the task.
I live in Canada and the government is in the process of banning semi-automatic centre fire rifles capable of holding more than 5 rounds. Given that 3D printers exist, this pretty much bans all rifles with interchangeable mags. I’m a gun owner on a rural property and I think that’s a reasonable compromise. I can still own a decent bolt action hunting rifle and a semi-automatic rim fire rifle with no mag limit.
It does suck for people who’s rifles are getting banned though.You’ve obviously never been surrounded by a pack of coyotes or hogs.
.223 is also an excellent caliber for that size game.Coyotes? Literally just shout at them. They’re scavengers not fighters.
In the late Winter/early spring they start getting a bit braver and start moving further into the cow pastures. That’s when we have to cull the pack to keep them away from the cattle.
Oh yeah, I thought you meant in regards to humans. I’ve never seen a coyote so much as growl at a human without a cub nearby.
They will definitely come after humans if they are hungry enough and their pack is large enough. It’s around that season that they start getting a bit braver because they are hungry coming out of winter and it’s breeding season. Usually they run after the first shot, but sometimes they don’t notice you dropped one and they keep coming until the follow-up shots. It’s not out of the ordinary to bag multiple coyotes in one spot.
5 rounds for a pack of dogs or pigs??? Ok buddy 🙄
In the arctic standard bear protection is a five shot bolt action 30.06. You’d load them with three FMJs to scare the bear away and two hollow points in case that didn’t work.
The truth about predators is they aren’t interested in dying for their meals. Prove to them that approaching will be deadly to them and they won’t approach. You don’t have to kill the entire pack, you just have to kill or wound one, or even just blast some rocks in their path.
Wait til you get those fucking murder hogs up there.
Honestly external magazines need to just be banned. That way it’s immediately clear a rifle is legal or not. It’s also great for hunting still, and okay for self/collective defense. But not great as a mass casualty producer.
We cleaned about 250 boar out of our farm over a four year period with the same 3-5 shot rifles we hunt deer and moose with. They mill around long enough you can reload. I have an SKS but I don’t bother, I’d rather sneak over a hill and pop half a dozen slowly and cleanly with my .338. And I can do it from far enough away that they don’t really get upset until 3 of them are lying on the ground, kicking.
You’d really want something bigger for hogs and deer. Never known anyone who hunts deer with .223. You really want one of options in thirty caliber.
While I’m sure someone hunts rabbits with a rifle you’d really use a shotgun or a really small rifle for them.
.223 is a good coyote round though. There are better coyote rounds available and there are better coyote rifles in .223.
I’ve taken deer with 556. Even if I hadn’t, I know people do because all the heavy loads sell out around deer season.
Actually, are we allowed to shoot coyotes in the city limits? Alligators are mostly chill and will just take off, but coyotes hunt around at night here.
There’s nothing like some good tyrant jerky
…rabbits?
Yup. Shot placement is key if you’re looking to feed yourself.
5.56 is a ridiculous waste of money for rabbits and totally excessive. 22 or even a pellet gun would be perfectly adequate and waaaaaay cheaper.
i was under the assumption an ar15 would explode something like a rabbit without useable trace?
Nah, it’s a small round as rifles go. “High powered military rifle” is a complete misnomer.
A small round traveling really fast can do a lot of damage, not a great round for small game - stick to .22 or birdshot.
People joke about the shooter “missing”, but at a few hundred feet away, a 2" miss is clearly within the influence of wind.
Trump got extremely lucky. I don’t think this was the result of a poor shot.
He fired 8 shots. It was poor shooting.
i thought it was 2 or 3 and the rest of the shots heard are the secret service snipers
Yes. 23 hours ago the news reported 8 shots. Now they’re reporting 2-4.
Most people using an AR buy cheapo 115 grain FMJ to shoot from their $600 AR. Cheap ammo from a cheap AR will group at 5-6 inches shooting with a bipod from a bench with a minute between shots with no wind at that range.
Throw in wind, stress, sub-optimal support, and rapid fire and it’s a very difficult shot.
Which is good and bad. Good in that assassinations should fail. Bad in that it means this asshole was shooting up a crowd.
Are you grouping that at 100 yards? Because I think your barrel is screwed up if that’s true. 2-3 inches on a mass market AR is common from a controlled setup. Of course most people are not as accurate as their gun so if they’re shooting then yeah it can be wild.
He was shooting closer to 200 yards I thought.
My main AR groups better. I’ve got a higher-end AR with a .223 Wylde 1:7 barrel and when I shoot SMKs through it it’ll group a ragged hole. But that’s not the setup most people are buying and shooting.
But my gun is triple the cost of a standard AR-15, and the glass on top is even more expensive.
400ft, 120M, 130Y.
And yeah that’s the thing. What a modern gun can do locked into a bench is going to be way better than what most shooters can do.
What’s that? I don’t think Trump can 'ear you.
Too soon?
Not soon enough.
I mean I think I’d say it was more the result of poor preparation than anything. I think most places are saying he had like, 3 shots or somewhere around there, and apparently his rifle had no optic on it at all, which is kind of an insane idea at that distance. Which I think also maybe lends credence to the idea that this was just some impulse decision rather than a prepared kind of thing. I don’t think it’s that hard of a shot to make in general, even given the single opportunity that you’re going to be working with, I’ve hit soda cans with .22s at similar ranges. You barely have to take into account windage or holdover and I haven’t seen any evidence of heavy wind on the day of, really.
So, I dunno, I think it’s probably just an idiot kid killing himself in like, some elaborate suicide by cop or something. or just a dumb groyper, jury’s still out.
Ar-15s are potentially ok hunting rifles for large birds and small mammals although there are better options out there.
The main argument I’ve heard for an AR besides the larp thing is that it’s easy to find compatible accessories because it’s a popular “open source” common platform.
But honestly any hunter who is serious about hunting with .223 probably has a better gun that they hunt with.
Its also cheap and can be handled by most people of all sizes. Its probably the best overall gun to own for most purposes.
For the record I would rather 45 lose and continue to drag the GOP down than have a quick death.
I would prefer Trump to have a long and miserable life in prison. Preferably in an underground cell in SuperMax somewhere. For his own protection of course.
Its a good thing the second amendment doesn’t just include a clause for hunting! People often forget it says
“A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.”
Indeed it doesn’t protect hunting or self defence at all. Only the collective defense.
Which arguably makes the AR-15 one of the most protected guns, if we’re using the wording of the second amendment as the only justification for firearms rights.
You can do a lot of damage with medium caliber rifles running internal clips. Such a limit would be more than enough for a militia unless everyone is practicing their tactical magazine changes and fireteam movement drills.
What? No it wouldn’t? They hand grunts 30 round magazines for a reason. They used to give them 20 round magazines for the same rifle. Minimizing administrative tasks is good for your soldier.
Soldiers are also trained in several different firing modalities that depend on teamwork. Those 30 rounds aren’t there just because “it’s easier”. I would sooner hand a militiaman a bolt action than a 30 round semi/burst capable weapon. They’d be less likely to blow through significant portions of their ammo load just because the wind made a tree creak. And before you say no, remember the cop that unloaded on his own car because of an acorn. We don’t arm units for their best person, we give them the gun that’s good enough for the lowest common denominator. The 2nd amendment doesn’t make everyone a line Infantryman.
The US military would one million percent prefer the population be trained and familiar on the standard issue rifle than on any other platform. (Arguments of the quality training put aside)
Then we better start giving everyone burst fire weapons.
No?
The military is just fine with its irregulars using something else. We worked alongside locals running AK platforms for 20 years.
hunting human rifles.
let’s be honest, it was designed as a lightweight emergency carbine made of space aged materials. 60 years later we’re arguing if the founding fathers meant bump stocks and cmags when they said well regulated militia.
lightweight emergency carbine
Huh, was it? So the platform wasn’t designed as a main infantry weapon?
Not initially. went through tons of growth after the AR-10 was designed.
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We don’t pluralize with an apostrophe. English harder, please.
Except when you do https://writingcenter.uagc.edu/apostrophes
Apostrophe when making a number plural is not uncommon.
okay mr dictionary…oops, did i forget a comma ?
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Y’know, this is in this weird spot where it’s right between canon and as seen (which, by the way, can be explained even with canonical things). If it was truly as seen, the shots would have gone way wide. If it was truly canon, the Reps would be scrambling for a new candidate now.
The explanation for Stormtroopers’ shoddy marksmanship on screen in A New Hope is because Vader wanted Leia & company to escape, but by the skin of their teeth, so that they would basically drop their guard the instant The Falcon took off from the Death Star and not realise there was a tracker bug installed. If Vader just let them fly off unopposed, that would probably be hella sus, and they’d probably pull over at the first asteroid to find and chuck said tracker bug. So the Stormtroopers were specifically instructed to shoot to thrill, not to kill.
When faced with opposition without plot armour and reasons to keep them alive, Stormtroopers are fucking brutal, as seen in The Empire Strikes Back - Hoth was somewhere between a decisive Imperial victory and an Imperial Curb Stomp
When faced with opposition without plot armour and reasons to keep them alive, Stormtroopers are fucking brutal, as seen in The Empire Strikes Back - Hoth was somewhere between a decisive Imperial victory and an Imperial Curb Stomp
Their shooting was also terrible on Endor. Maybe those were the flunky storm troopers that got put on the imperial guard due to nepotism or corruption?
I suspect that any modern force ambushed in a jungle, or any type of complex, unfamiliar terrain, by primitive fighters who know the place like the back of their hands will suffer.
There are stories of UK soldiers in the sixties being ambushed by a man with a scimitar, and it took them a while and several fairly serious injuries before they could line up a shot with their FALs.
Not to forget the Vietnam war which, despite the advanced force being a coalition led by the US, and said coalition resorting to torching the jungle and other war crimes, still ended being up a North Vietnamese victory.The Endor force, while not outgunned, was maybe outnumbered and definitely outwitted.
The storm troops on Endor were not ambushed. They knew the attack was coming. They were fighting from prepared defenses on a fire base. The fact that they were drawn out of the base to fight in the jungle was a lack of judgement on their part. Their whole mission was to protect the shield generator.
They literally are. Their most common chambering is an ideal white tail cartridge.
The sketch! He indeed was stormtrooper.
Everyone’s saying the guy used an AR but given the relatively small number of shots and the fact that the bullets went everywhere except where the guy was presumably aiming my bet is he was a Socialist Rifle Club guy with an SKS.
No… it was an AR with no scope fired from the prone position by someone who definitely was not trained to land shots precisely at that range from that shooting position in a highly tense unsurviveable situation again all without a fucking scope
Tmz had a video of the moron opening fire and getting counter sniped
He didn’t even have an optic?!? What an absolute idiot… haven’t seen that video yet.
I mean… At the risk of landing on a list… Any infantry private could have landed that shot.
But if I were to do it it would be a larger round that’s more resistant to the wind, capable of penetrating the light body armor the secret service wears, and from about 3 times the distance with 6x optics. There’s at least a chance to E&E from that position and the likelihood of a kill shot is far higher.
He was mentally deranged. That’s the sort of half-assery typical of people with mental problems.
Was it a camera phone video from the crowd? I saw where one guy said they tried to warn the SS because they saw the shooter.
Turns out you’re wrong. It was a registered GOPer with an AR15 who also had bomb making stuff at home.
