MS being sued for packaging something with windows? Haven’t we seen this before?
Yes, I’m sure the penalties will be so high as to teach them a lesson they won’t forget for decades because that’s how good the legal system is in dealing with corporations now.
The early 2000s stuff did end up having some significant effects that lasted for decades.
They’ve 100% forgotten all about that or think it won’t happen again in the last few years, though.
Well of course not, ever since they got that deal with Uncle Sam they knew they could do anything up to Steve Ballmer kicking a secret service agent in the nuts and stealing the Football. Maybe even including that, won’t know until it happens lol.
the universal hate teams gets warms my heart.
the ubiquitousness of it dumbfounds me though.
fuck teams.
When something is both universally hated and almost always chosen above less hated competitors, that’s usually a sign that there’s some kind of market failure. Maybe it’s anticompetitive conduct by the provider (like Microsoft using its market power on Outlook/Exchange to push other services like Teams over its competition), or a principal-agent problem (like the person paying for Teams not actually having to live with most of the shittiness).
They bundle teams with o365. The cost to integrate another messaging client is more than simply adding Teams to your already expensive bundle.
It’s as simple as this really. It’s included therefore a subscribing company can just not renew a slack, Zoom, or whatever contract and say “hey we saved money”
They actually just decoupled teams from o365 in preparation for this exact situation. As of April 30th you no longer get teams with your tenant skus anymore unless you are grandfathered in to the older skus that bundled it.
Maybe it’s anticompetitive conduct by the provider (like Microsoft using its market power on Outlook/Exchange to push other services like Teams over its competition)
That’s exactly what it is. They leveraged their dominance/monopoly in one market to gain a stranglehold on another market. It’s not exactly a new tactic for Microsoft either.
And also all of their competition also kinda sucks. So like, Teams is worse enough that if you’re using it every day you’ll hate it but not worse enough that if you use it once or twice you’ll notice.
Slack seems great, I’ve had no problems with it
Second this. Slack is glorious.
Huh, it’s funny, my company uses Webex and I’d probably prefer Teams.
It’s ubiquitous because it was added for free to Office 365, so companies would use it instead of its competitors
Microsoft changed that for new customers a couple weeks ago and it’s now a separate subscription
The standard make it free until it’s ubiquitous then start charging for it
Not trying to simp for TEAMS, but what issues are people having? Every now and then I have to go in and change mic and speakers back to laptop, presumably from some update our IT deployed.
Other than that and wanting it to show on MY screen when I’m transmitting sound, I can’t think of any improvements. Works better than the conference calls we used to have.
how resource heavy and slow for what it is, how notifications break a lot of the time, how obtuse and unintuitive it usually is to do some simple stuff like sharing meetings and how everything thats not an absolute core feature will glitch out 8 times out of 10.
i’m sure some of these were fixed while they broke other stuff, they fuck around with it all the time. im thankfully not being forced to use it for a while right now.
We used Teams at the last org I worked at, we rarely had issues. The UI wasn’t bad in my eyes, we had integrated our phone system into teams too. Calling someone on the other side of the country via teams was simple.
Admittedly the service did get worse before I left and there were a couple of Microsoft outages which cut all our text based communications for a day (phone system still worked)
I’m using slack right now but would prefer something self-hosted but that’s well out of the scope of the current mob I’m with.
on android, it is the only app I have found that’s not compatible with my keyboard. You read that right. How the hell do you fuck that up?
Okay but could they please hide the microphone settings a little deeper under menus that are already hard to find such as whatever makes the PowerPoint presentation go full screen? No one has ever figured out that one. It’s just that we love the resonance of that beautiful feedback sound. As soon as one of the old farts joins the meeting, we know that beautiful sound that slices thru all mosquitoes in the area is coming. But all too soon someone walks through the procedure for turning off the microphone. If we could have it for another 10 minutes without automatically detecting it like almost any other software from the 90’s would, that would be sweet!
Don’t forget to change the sound setting location to different tabs every other week too to keep you on your toes.
? You can just mute someone in the call if they can’t find the button, which is literally in the top right of the screen, right next to the share and leave buttons.
Maybe my experience is different because I use Teams exclusively on my work Mac, but it tends to work better for calls than anything else I’ve used (Zoom, Slack, Google Meet). I’ve literally never had issues in my end with the desktop app. Maybe the webapp is different?
That said, I hate teams. The chat function sucks, especially when trying to post code snippets, or really any form of formatted text. And for some reason, some of our business-y types refuse to use Slack, so I’m stuck having to deal with two separate chat systems at work. But the video has pretty much never given me problems.
Unpopular opinion I guess, but I think Teams is actually pretty good at my workplace.
Have you been forced to use “New Teams” that loves to close itself randomly throughout the day and also doesn’t allow you to pin it to the taskbar even though the option is there and selectable? It also has a permanent “Update” button at the top of the window that nags you to update but when you select it, it tells you that you’re running a newer version than what’s available.
Also constantly asks if you want to try the new teams even though you’re using the new fucking teams.
Mine decided that starting with Windows was like spitting in a baby’s eye and disabled it for everyone, now I have to remember to turn it on or write a batch file but I’d rather not because Teams is fuckered
My main gripe is that the web version only asks that once it spent ages loading the old version… And it’s not even a choice because I already switched on desktop. Can’t you just load the fucking new version to begin with?
I can’t say I’ve run into those issues with the new teams. Worst I’ve experienced is the app freezing during a call, which has happened twice in the last year or so.
Coming from a Slack office is pretty damn painful when you get tossed into Teams. The lack of chat organization and chat threads is painful.
Microsoft also moves at a glacial pace. Terrible bugs float around in their products for months / years. That company doesn’t know how to ship stuff anymore. All they do is reorg product and engineering teams every 6 months, then wonder why they can ship anything on time on time.
We use both: Teams for meetings, Slack for everything else. Slack sucks for meetings IMO, and Teams sucks for chat. We have to use Teams due to corporate (all the meeting rooms are integrated with it, all corporate meetings use it, etc), and we picked Slack because it sucks less.
It’s a pretty decent setup.
Agreed. If I have to pick, I’m going with the OG Slack + Zoom combo. Only problem is that recordings and meeting chat are not integrated. But, honestly, I’ll gladly give up that one feature if it means I get the mountains of other stuff. Also, when meeting chats aren’t saved, they become a lot more lively. People know the chats aren’t going to clutter up any important meeting notes.
Zoom
I don’t trust zoom whatsoever (e.g. this incident).
And honestly, I don’t really like Zoom. I used it during COVID because that’s what everyone else used, but it never was good.
That may be, but I’m not sure that’s a problem for a communication platform. I remember one time when they moved the share screen button around and some less tech savvy users thought the feature was removed!
Teams has something like chat threads too. E.g. you can reply to a message in a channel and it groups all replies, and you can also focus that thread if you want. But I agree it isn’t hidden “off the main topic” quite like slack threads.
At the end of the day, slack simply has a larger feature set and more options for organizing and staying engaged with conversations. Almost everyone who has clocked in significant time and Teams and Slack will tell you that.
And, unfortunately, Microsoft moves so damn slow, and prioritizes such weird crap, that they can’t seem to get some of the basics implemented.
In terms of working, I find discord best. SharePoint is incredibly slow for me, all the materials inside teams is dumped there.
Am I taking crazy pills? Discord and Slack suck just as much imo. They are all a shitty web app repackaged for the desktop. And they are all fine, barely anything to chose betweem them. Teams is probably the best as the calendar integration with outlook and hosting ad-hoc drop in meetings in a room is good, no really, the virtual office is fantastic for pairing and team work.
IM peaked with IRC though, the simplicity was excellent, Matrix the closest thing to it imo. I do wish more stuff integrated with it to offer the same business experience as teams
Its not a question of which one is good or bad.
sometimes it takes minutes to load the calendar, only to still fail
We have a new manager and she is forcing us to use the calendar and planner in Teams and my productivity has plummeted because of it.
I have to use Teams as a student and we never even do video calls, just sharing files, and there are so many issues we have with it such as bugginess and no one understanding the UI.
Microsoft isn’t slacking with teams.
Teams is the fuckin worst.
At this point I prefer to Skype before I’d teams, and I hate Skype with a passion already.
Call quality is abysmal compared to meet, it’s a continuous crash, feature suddenly inexplicably doesn’t work, and what not more. There is always somebody who can’t get video turned on all of the sudden, always effin around with audio and this morning o cut off a teams call and decided to call the person by phone because that at least worked.
Fuck. Teams.
So to have a productive comment on all this teams shit (and slack shit too IMHO)
What is currently the best self hosted solution?
I used to habe nextcloud with only office, offering and allowing multiple users to work simultaneously on documents, next cloud itself rocked, but what about video and audio calls, what about chat? Anything out there that is integrated easily in next cloud?
