Iran said it launched dozens of drones and ballistic missiles towards Israel on Saturday in a major attack following days of acute tension building up in the region and warnings from the US and elsewhere about a wider conflict erupting.
Air attack warning sirens began wailing over Jerusalem just before 2am local time on Sunday after the weapons were fired a few hours earlier from Iran with US and Jordanian military assisting Israel’s air defenses in intercepting the first incoming barrage.
With weapons believed to be still in the air en route to Israel, Iran’s mission to the United Nations posted on X: “Iran’s military action was in response to the Zionist regime’s aggression against our diplomatic premises in Damascus. The matter can be deemed concluded.”
However, it threatened more severe action in the face of further Israeli aggression and warned the US and Jordan specifically not to assist Israel.
Edit: here are links to the NYT and BBC live feeds.
Edit 2: updated summary and archive to reflect article changes.
So now the Zionist spam brigades have started infesting Lemmy as well judging from some of the comments here. Very sad to see that. Last time I checked on Reddit it was already unbearable there.
This is really bad news, and by no means do I support Iran. But the attack on Irans embassy should have caused sanctions and condemnations. Instead Biden rushed to defend Israel as if Israel wouldn’t have started this.
I can’t believe what a fucking tragedy this is. With the US elections upcoming, Biden being prepared to die on this hill is what may actually cause that Trump wins and the US turns into full on fascism. Needless to say Trump won’t do jackshit for Palestinians either.
Western media hypocrisy made it seem mike an ordinary thing to target embassies, which have a very particular status akin to targeting the homeland territory , some mainstream media barely touched upon the news or dismissed it completely, if it were any other country like Russia targeting an EU embassy in asia or Africa it would have been non-stop news and escalation. they manufacture the outrage on small issues and keep the people ignorant on more important ones.
I’ve seen the media careful to make a distinction between the embassy and “a consular building adjacent to the embassy”. I did a quick search expecting the to be the defense.
But international law is the real wtf. According to the Wikipedia entry
is the obligation of the country in which an embassy is located to protect the embassy, but international treaties do not expressly prohibit a third country to target diplomatic premises if they host combatants and are targeted in an act of self-defense, although a claim of self-defense cannot usually justify an attack on the territory of a country not participating in hostilities.
So, it’s Syria’s fault for not protecting diplomatic buildings? Plus Syria probably has a claim against Israel, whereas Iran doesn’t?
I’m sure Israel will attempt to argue self defense based on the targeted officers and however they may have participated in the original attack and involvement of Yemen, but that’s a pretty big stretch.
“Embassies.”
Fuck off promptly
This is all due to the breakdown of norms by allowing Israel to do whatever it wants. Respect for American soft power is non existent because of the double standard with Israel, Russia and the Middle East. Now American citizens get dragged into another war that they don’t want by the ruling class.
Not just allowing israel to do so, but providing them with weapons and now America and the UK are even intercepting any retaliation. Making sure nobody can fight back against the bully.
I think it’s fair to rush to intercept. It’s a purely defensive action, and if they’re able to intercept the entire barrage of attacks, Israel may not retaliate. It’s in everyone’s best interest – Iran included – that this doesn’t escalate even farther and farther.
Iran had all the right to do this, but that doesn’t mean they should have. The ideal situation would be for the US and company to prevent attacks from landing and then telling Israel to end their genocidal operations unless they want to face the next wave themselves.
And if Israel refuses, then let Netanyahu handle it himself. Make good on our threat to not help.
This drone attack by Iran may have more to do with “showing” it’s little vassal terrorist groups it’s prodding and bankrolling into doing Iran’s dirty work that Iran is “doing” something militarily in support of Hamas and the Houthi.
What is a drone strike that is going to take 8 to 10 hours to arrive supposed to accomplish when it’s so easy to spot coming well ahead of time. It’s not like Iran doesn’t have missiles that can hit Israel in a handful of minutes if Iran really wanted to do damage.
I’d say the best that could be hoped for is Israel shoots everything down.
- Iran got their revenge
- Israel wasn’t harmed
- As a US citizen, I’m fine with encouraging this part of the war to end with “sure, we’ll replace all the missiles Israel used to defend themselves”
Before everyone attacks me, remember that anti-aircraft missiles are good for defense but not offense.
They’ve been here for a while. Try reading new posts and find the negative vote comments. Same for y’all-queda and the qultists and white supremacists, and tankies, and most misinformation campaigns. It is the internet after all.
God I hope this place doesn’t turn into something like Voat where it’s just another 4chan like environment filled with all the users banned for posting racist shit and CP.
Nah, mods here are pretty liberal with the banhammer.
Banned for calling mods liberals
Yep. They had CP come through a couple of the communities and they locked that shit down pretty quickly.
Some motherfuckers don’t know how to act.
Blue conservatives.
They’re being a bit futile. If your default sort is active it doesn’t hide any downvoted comments.
And if you’re on an instance like Kbin or Beehaw, downvotes don’t even affect vote count because the downvotes are not federated.
Who do you think the tankies support in this conflict? Or, is this just poisoning the well to help Israel / US?
“Tankie” doesn’t coincide with any distinct political bloc, it’s essentially a buzzword to discredit leftists that are claimed to support authoritarian regimes. But what one might call a tankie in this instance would support Palestine as ‘tankies’ are against the US and their proxies.
Someone who supports Palestine and is against the US is not automatically a Tankie. But if this person at the same time makes excuses for the Russian invasion or argues that Taiwan belongs to China, then they are.
Hypocrisy (lying / arguing in bad faith) is exactly what makes the difference between a leftist and a Tankie.
You are correct, and it is used that way, what I’m saying though is there isn’t a distinct definition, it’s used differently by different groups and so only really serves to muddy discussions and shun ideological outsiders.
The same embassy that was full of Hezbollah? Iran is a terrorist state that sponsors terrorism.
Based on what evidence? Even if it were, an attack on an embassy or consulate is akin to attacking their territory. If Israel has a right to retaliate against Hamas then Iran has every right to retaliate against Israel.
The Iranian General they killed planned the October 6th massacre near Gaza.
By terrorism you mean brown people committing acts of violence? This is a response to Israel attacking Iran much like the genocide in Palestine is a response to Hamas attacking Israel.
Irrelevant, embassies are internationally protected sanctuaries.
So it’s okay to massacre 1200 civilians wherever, I don’t personally respect the international rights of Iran being they’re a terrorist state who does a lot of terrorism.
Irrelevant, embassies are internationally protected sanctuaries.
Except it wasn’t an embassy. You got worked.
Netanyahu picked this fight, he should fight it himself. Otherwise its just encouraging other US allies to create chaos in bids for additional military support. Turkey is probably taking notes right now.
Turkey is watching and taking notes about how the US supports full on genocide if you are Jew and doing it. If you are a Muslim or Turkish, the US will keep on supporting the local terror organizations like PKK through bordering YPG branch.
Turkey is researching ways to become Jewish.
Edit: Not just about the US but also the UK, France and Germany that oppresses protests against Israel’s genocide and arming Netanyahu with offensive weapons and using their own ships to defend against any retaliatory attacks. Turkey keeps thinking if her allies are the bad guys.
I know Israel is a small country of only 10M people with a traumatic history surrounded by enemies…so they need to act tough in their neighbourhood, take no shit and all…but they start to feel like the tiny angry girlfriend who dates a big guy and picks up fights in every bar expecting everyone to be afraid that her date will come to the rescue every time…
but they start to feel like the tiny angry girlfriend who dates a big guy and picks up fights in every bar expecting everyone to be afraid that her date will come to the rescue every time…
Lol, I called them US’s little Chihuahua dog that rabidly barks at any moving object
Chihuahuas don’t kill so many children.
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Let’s be honest, they would if they could.
Also they have started the hostilities and made enemies of neighbors, not like they weren’t offered a fair share of land even in the face of them settling in there because the big ex-boyfriend just forced so.
The tiny angry girlfriend who is also killing children and old people in her basement?
Israel is an apartheid. Stop falling for the Holocaust sympathy propaganda. The country is rotten to the core and doesn’t represent Jews.
It is an open air prison, no doubt about that. Yet the apartheid in this case did not arise out of pure racism, but as a reaction to a history of constant suicide bombings. Besides, there are 2 million palestinian israelis living peacefully inside Israel…but there is also a part of Israel that does not help their case either by covering for every nationalist invading the West Bank or the cruelty they allow to go unpunished e.g. Shireen Abu Akleh.
Pretty sure isrealis were the first to bomb given that they were doing it before their country existed and then took terrorists as national heroes and military leaders.
Ok… great … as if the problem wasn’t complex enough, there were/are? also crazy jewish bombers :/
The point is, you stated the apartheid was a response to bombings, but Zionist terrorists were bombing and killing Palestinians before the Israeli state existed, and those terrorists were rewarded by the West and put into positions of power in Israel. After which there has been continued resistance by Palestinians.
It’s an apartheid, but it’s good. Get out of here.
What would you have done?
I personally wouldn’t have used mass murder and eviction to create an ethnostate aka Israel. Israel then has proceeded to annex more land against all treaties, blocks aid from entering Palestine and routinely murders Palestinian civilians. Are you saying Israel had no other options?
Yes, I agree it should not have been done, it is the UN’s original sin. But now it is there, survived lots of attacks from its beighbours, lots of jews were expelled from e.g. arab countries to shelter there, you just can’t go back.
I’m asking what you would do if 20% of a country next to you kept trying to kill you (hamas wouldn’t even be happy with Palestinian statehood, they just want Israel wiped off the map).
I’d “build a wall”, stop weapons going in and let them be until they calm down somehow…but that’s not what Israel did anyway…and hamas got over the fucking wall anyway, so here we are…back to 2007 again.
They didn’t just do that though, they funded Hamas, allowed them to recieve weapons, refuses to recognize any sort of Palestinian statehood, pursued policies that enabled the most extreme factions of Palestinian resistance and thwarts any attempt at lasting peace. There is a long-term plan in the works by Israeli forces to annex all of Palestine. Israeli officials from top to bottom have made it clear they want to eliminate Palestine as an idea.
What would you do if you were Palestinian?
Stop being an apartheid and have a truth and reconciliation process to correct the wrongs done to the Palestinians.
I stopped looking at this problem through the lens of morality, it just leads you into a paralyzing spiral of blame and righteousness, because you have millions of people who don’t even know their borders, their status, their rights, an israeli military that is not sure where their jurisdiction and authority ends, a divided capital (that in itself is a stupid diplomatic trap by design, who the hell thought that would ever work?). This was a political failure in the making born from the utopian lack of vision of the birth of the UN: a political trap for anyone that gets near it, which can also be weaponized into political ammo by outside forces.
Probably the only solution starts by disabling the first layer of the trap: a palestinian state with its own official borders (which is its own problem, because there is no contiguity…legacy of the stupid original bipartite design), some form of limited military, navigation rights, release Marwan Barghouti, etc …and then you pray that hamas does not win the elections and immediately declare jihad on Israel :/ , but at least then there will be some clarity about what to do in terms of what we want states to act like with each other.
Congratulations to the US for breaking apart any sort of pretension of support for international law by allowing Israel to do whatever the fuck they want. Now we’re going to let the crazed leadership of Iran and Israel to drag everyone around them and abroad into further military conflict. Goddamn morons don’t know how to say “this is too far”.
“Crazed leadership of Iran”…which did a proportional retaliatory attack on Israel.
Israel’s response to Hamas is the crazy and the US backing of the genocide is also pretty crazy.
Of course, Iran isn’t the good guys but take a look and recognize that we are the baddies too!
Ah yes, the turmoil between Muslim and Jewish populations which has only existed since the founding of America in 1776.
I wonder if Biden ever regrets creating such dogmatic differences when he gave birth to the cultures of the fertile crescent.
Israel couldn’t function without continued US support, this isn’t some abstract, the US political establishment enables Israeli atrocities and turns a blind eye to their seizing of territory, even just last month Israel annexed Palestinian territory illegally with the full support of the West.
I think the situation is serious enough to avoid making such ridiculous straw-men.
This is an awful take. Jews and Muslim populations are not separate races that have fought since existence. Israeli’s are mostly German; they do not have a corresponding Muslim population.
- Palestinian Jews and Palestinian Muslims lived fine together till Israel started 75 years ago.
- Same with Iranian Jews and Iranian Muslims.
- Same with Iraqis, Yemenis, and North Africans
Warden (War loving Biden) has focused more on Israel than abortion, legalizing marijuana, equality, health insurance, taxes, and everything else he promised since he has took office.
I’m impressed. Every single thing you just wrote is incorrect. That’s a rare achievement, even around here. “Israeli’s [sic] are mostly German” takes the cake though.
They don’t call them Ashkanazi Jews for no reason. Words have etymology. Ashkanaz is supposedly the Blibical ancestor of the areas centered around Germany, including Poland. This is why their language is derivative of German (Yiddish). Ober time they moved north into Ukraine and Russia, so Yiddish developed some Slavic words.
TIL 1.3% is mostly from wiki
also learned that 20% muslim arabs dont exist
As of 2019, Arab citizens of Israel composed 21 percent of the country’s total population.[54] About 82 percent of the Arab population in Israel are Sunni Muslims, a very small minority are Shia Muslims, another 9 percent are Druze, and around 9 percent are Christian (mostly Eastern Orthodox and Catholic denominations).
Everything from the table in your image is still considered as “German Jews.”
Arab Israelis are what Israelis call certain Palestinians but mostly the Bedouin that never identified as Palestinian (generally the desert south where nationality isn’t the norm). It’s not an accident that Israel is considered a Western nation. The people are from Europe (not that there’s anything wrong with Western values; it’s just they should belong in the countries developed them as their own culture).
Bedouin make for about 10% of all muslims in Israel
In 2019, the official number of Arab residents in Israel was 1,890,000 people
According to the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs, as of 1999, 110,000 Bedouins live in the Negev, 50,000 in the Galilee and 10,000 in the central region of Israel
and most jews arent european either
There are no government statistics categorizing Israeli Jews as “Ashkenazi”, “Mizrahi”, etc, but studies and estimates have been conducted.[50][51] In a 2019 study, in a sample meant to be representative of the Israeli Jewish population, about 44.9% percent of Israel’s Jewish population were categorized as Mizrahi (defined as having grandparents born in North Africa or Asia), 31.8% were categorized as Ashkenazi (defined as having grandparents born in Europe, the Americas, Oceania and South Africa), 12.4% as “Soviet” (defined as having progenitors who came from the ex-USSR in 1989 or later), about 3% as Beta Israel (Ethiopia) and 7.9% as a mix of these, or other Jewish group
in what country does jewish culture belongs?
Those in the area of places like Nazareth are simply Palestinians. Some of them seem to have a “Palestinian-Israeli” identity. As of now; they know of their Palestinian origins. They follow Palestinian traditions and are now starting to protest the war in Gaza (though it took them 6 months to get permission to protest I guess – perhaps you can clarify).
I’ll give you Haifa where so many Palestinians were killed or purged out, Arab culture may have gotten weaker. I have read that Haifa Palestinians fit best in Israeli society.
Looking around on the internet, I see that Jaffa has an actual “Palestinian” (not Palestinian-Israeli or Arab Israeli) identifying position. Which makes sense as Jaffa was a Palestinian town and Tel Aviv was built around it.
There are no government statistics categorizing Israeli Jews as “Ashkenazi”, “Mizrahi”, etc, but studies and estimates have been conducted.[50][51] In a 2019 study,
Is this self-identified or is it genetic based? I’m a little curious on how Israeli culture is affected by European Jews raising a lot of the North African
in what country does jewish culture belongs?
This is a loaded question. The Palestinians had to be pushed around a lot. I see posts about how Gaza actually had many Palestinian refugees. The issue isn’t Israeli’s are mainly Jewish; it’s about the crimes done by foreign actors against Palestinians who are the natives of Palestine. Your question FEELS more like “should not we keep punishing Palestinians for getting in the way of setting up a country on their land?” Another way to put it is why are Palestinians still paying for Hitler’s atrocities while Germany is doing so well?
Also, Germany and France have a lot of antisemitic laws, to answer your question directly.
edit: I guess I should call those laws anti-antisemitic laws
If it’s just drones, this is just a tit-for-tat for the attack in Syria and not WWIII.
It’s a good thing that Israel’s retaliation is never disproportionate.
Obligatory, since people are not getting it:
There can not be a “cost of doing business” for the likes of Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran. Has anyone here ever wondered why Hezbollah are so tame in this conflict, why they are so deathly afraid of an escalation? Hint: They are seeing the footage from Gaza too, they too are keeping track of how every single Hamas commander is being systematically hunted down, how Israel is willing and able to level an entire apartment block just to get one of them, global public opinion be damned - or, if they are feeling particularly humane that day, sending a small missile or drone precisely into the window that commander happens to be sitting behind.
How anyone expected anything but pure hellfire in response to the October 7 massacres and rapes is beyond me. No nation on Earth would have reacted any differently. The likes of Switzerland or Denmark would have gone medieval on the perpetrators in a situation like this. Iran is playing a very dangerous game. One “lucky” hit by one of their missiles or drones, e.g. into a busy crowd, school or hospital, could spell the end of the regime in Tehran.
No nation on Earth would have reacted any differently.
I see this canard a lot, and it’s simply not true.
There are plenty of nations that don’t have track records of ignoring international law and committing egregious human rights abuses, including during armed conflict.
It is simply not reasonable to assume those countries would start a campaign of massive civilian slaughter.
Last time I checked, the UK didn’t level parts of Belfast during the troubles and commit collective punishment of civilians there.
Or similarly how Turkey handles its current operation in northern Syria that started with ISIS attacking Turkish villages across the border and continues against local groups funneling support to PKK there.
Good example.
they also sent cruise missiles
That is unconfirmed. So far it’s drones according to the article and US intelligence. Our intelligence guys have been doing a good job forecasting what is happening so I’m inclined to believe them. Guess we will see in a few hours.
Iran launches dozens of drones, cruise missiles at Israel
also statements from iran about missiles being fired.
Like I said, we will find out in a couple hours. They will launch the ballistics and cruse missiles way later. Those don’t take hours to get there.
So, uh, are we doing World War 3 now? Just asking because I need to know if I should be canceling my summer plans and investing in canned food.
No. Sorry. This is Cold War II.
Analysts are literally calling it that
Cold wars don’t have direct conflict.Nevermind.Yes they do, just not directly between the primary powers
The US invaded Vietnam and the USSR invaded Afghanistan during the Cold War. Conflicts are standard
I stand corrected. But in my defense, the dumb online dictionary backed up what I thought– after I got past “The Cold War”, anyway. Stupid search engines…
No, that shouldn’t start until the Summer of '25
I am not expecting a full scale war on “developed” countries up until China does something. Because, you know, it is against capitalism.
The world is waking up to the fact that treaties are just papers and words mean nothing. Basically what Hitler did 80 years ago but now it’s every leader.
Inflight Emergency (IFE) declared via squawk 7700 for USAF tanker, now returning to al-Udeid from over Iraq (electrical).
QUICK UPDATE:
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Iran names the operation “The Promise of Truth.”
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Israeli aircraft are positioned over western Iraq.
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Interceptions have commenced over Jordan and Syria. A number of middle east Arab states announcing that they’ll knock down anything in their skies
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Incidents of drones crashing in western Iraq have been reported.
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Iranian media suggests that ballistic missiles will be launched from Iran in the early hours of the morning.
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Airspace across the Middle East is closed
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Al-Arabiya reports that British fighter jets are now involved in operation to interceptal Iranian drones launched against Israel
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6 p.m. ET Isreal should start to see missles, rockets and drones
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https://t.me/pravdaGerashchenko_en/31824
Iran has officially declared the start of the attack on Israel. “The evil regime will be punished,” its leader said.
Iran, the Houthis from Yemen, Syria, Hezbollah are performing massive strikes on Israel with drones and missiles. Over 200 combat drones and missiles are in the air - media.
Iran’s defense minister: “We will also perform a strike on those who open their airspace or territory to Israel to attack Iran.”
https://t.me/combatfootageua/15045
Two shiteaters squabble. More at 6
Unfortunately, that wont deter them
How are those deescalation bombing missions going?
Oh…
You mean, it didn’t bring about a lasting peace in the region?
It’s like anyone with 2 brain cells understood this was going to happen.
Capitalism / hegemony
“Firing drones at” is a new phrase for me.
Fuuuuuuuuck.
Iran has all the right in the world to do this and is justified in doing so, but I really wish they hadn’t. Hopefully the attacks can be intercepted, and that’s that. Escalation benefits no one at all except Netanyahu and the Ayatollahs.
The best case scenario here is that everything is intercepted and Israel stands down from doing anything else. And, Jordan and the US and the UK use this moment to force Netanyahu to stop the genocide. This attack highlights just how reliant Israel is on its allies, and why it should listen to them when they say it’s time to stop.
We should be threatening to not act next time unless he completely capitulates and does a full withdrawal – and if he refuses, we keep our word and leave them to themselves.
