So, wait, Mocrosoft is finally giving us a way to fully-disable automatic Windows Updates?
/s
That’s how I read it!
Full list from this comment on another thread: https://lemmy.ca/comment/8470544
ConisioAdmin.exe (Solidworks PDM)
EaseUS Disk Copy.exe (EaseUS Disk Copy Application)
ep_dwm.exe (ExplorerPatcher) Included since 22H2
iCloudServices.exe (iCloud files shared in Explorer via WhatsApp) from 23H2
RadeonSoftware.exe (AMD GPU perf settings) from23H2
StartAllBackCfg.exe (StartAllBack) Included since 22H2
Multi-mon + Copilot (Microsoft)
MergeSdb (Microsoft)
Intel IntcOED.sys (Intel)
Intel IntcAudioBus.sys (Intel) (%WinDir%\System32\drivers\IntcAudioBus.sys)
Realtek 8192su Wireless USB 2.0 Adapter (Realtek) (%WinDir%\System32\drivers\RTL8192su.sys)
They won’t give you updates if you have radeon software or intel config tool?
The article says it’s only a specific Win7 version of VLC that’s blocked, so maybe that’s the case with these also.
Ok, so a newer version should be fine I guess. If that’s the case, the title should be: “If you’re still running these prehistoric software, Windows won’t be able to update“
Too late. People in comment section already decided to install Linux
good
Can’t complain about that conclusion either. It fixes all your Windows problems once and for all.
But doesn’t solve your Linux problems
😂 true
But… clickbait and drama~~~
You should know people only read headlines!
Yeah, and the headline is supposed to maximize the clicks, along with your fear, hatred and rage.
i’m still not really sure why this would matter. Does updating break that software? Seems like an easy fix.
That was a weird article. The simplest fix would be to keep your apps updated.
Although, in typical MS style, the error message will probably be either vague and cryptic or otherwise completely useless. If you stumble upon an update problem like this, troubleshooting it doesn’t sound fun.
ah right, yeah, that part of microsoft, i forgot about that one.
Will it stop asking me to upgrade every month if I have one of these installed? I might need to get one just for that.
Hmm, interesting, do these all have explorer integrations? I know even a couple year’s old SolidWorks PDM does not work with Windows 11 because of the way it integrates with Windows explorer. a couple of the other apps there modify/integrate into explorer as well.
Realtek 8192su Wireless USB 2.0 Adapter
Wow, how did they break that? Signing issue maybe?
This stops Windows 11 from blocking the installation and lets you get the app back onto your PC. We’re not sure if Microsoft has fixed this trick, but it’s worth a shot if you want to keep using your favorite apps.
That’s mildly distopian.
This prevents your car from shutting itself off when trying visit certain areas on the map. We’re not sure if car manufacturers have fixed this trick, but it’s worth a shot if you want to keep going to your favorite places.
And only a little tiny bit adversarial.
This is what ive been saying about windows vs Linux for years.
Linux isnt necessarily easy, but its collaborative and everybody’s on the same side.
Windows is PvP, and now I’m seeing fucking Hangul characters in chat, and I’m afraid. I don’t even use it anymore.
Hangul characters in chat
You’re afraid of Korean speakers?
In a cafe? No. In a video game lobby? I played way too much StarCraft.
Lol. :)
My wife is Korean and I noped out of playing StarCraft when I visited her family. I also worked with a “minor-league” StarCraft player (played on Euro servers with a team) and a regular Korean guy, and it was always close when we’d do lan games at work afterhours (us normies would die off early and watch as those two duked it out).
So yeah, I get it. Koreans are hardcore…
Wouldn’t it be nice if you could just keep using Windows 10 forever, and get security updates for free?
7 was better lol
For reference: Debian 6 which was the current release of Debian at the time Windows 10 was released hasn’t received official security patches 2016, CentOS 6.6 stopped receiving them 2022. Mac OS X Yosemite latest update was released 2017…
Yeah and? Debian is free, you can just upgrade to the newer version without paying a thing.
And upgrades tend to be pretty stable. You can still use whatever UX you were used to before, since packages tend to stick around quite a bit.
The issue with Win 11 is that it drastically changes hardware requirements and UX. That’s not an issue for Debian.
And because linux is 99% just the programs you install on it when you do upgrade to a new version you aren’t being forced into a new system. This is why distro wars are pointless.
It seems worthwhile to set realistic expectations.
You can also upgrade from Windows 10 to 11 for free.
No, actually, extra ads begging me to subscribe to my own computer are a cost.
downgrade*
would you like to explain to me how i install a tpm 2.0 module into my hardware for free exactly?
I cannot use my win11 laptop because they removed the language bar and switching keyboard layout is impossible. Unfortunately it’s something that I do on the regular since programming in my native layout is really difficult hunting down alt+some numbers for the {} and I need letters with accents like žšć when I write something
Windows 10 was released on July 29, 2015, Debian 8 was released on 26 April 2015, 3 months earlier. And you are comparing it with Debian 6, released 4 years earlier? Debian 8 extended long term support reaches end-of-life 30 June 2025.
You are right. I misinterpreted the information on wiki page. Debian 8’s free LTS tier ended 2020 and the Extended LTS continues until 2025. Extended support is a paid service though and costs a lot more than a single Windows license. Microsoft offers a similar (also paid) service.
the cool thing about debian though, you can just reinstall that shit. Or if you like flying close to the sun. Just change your apt sources. And hope nothing explodes.
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Glad they have time to call out everyone else’s problems, yet Microsoft still can’t fix their broken jan win 10 update.
Is that the one where MS updated the recovery partition by including a file that’s too big for that default partition? I had to manually resize my recovery partition to fix that issue
Yes. Normally, the OS “fixes” this by making a second, bigger recovery partition, but that only works if you have the space for it.
Well I guess 60 GB wasn’t enough space for the 10mb update
probably requires you to have un-allocated space on the drive, which is even funnier.
don’t worry, microsoft never figured out how to write bootloader installation software.
It can not only, install itself onto a slower, hdd, but also completely wipe any additional drives you have hooked up at the time of installation.
The fact that this STILL isn’t fixed is baffling to me.
Install Linux and be done with this nonsense
Imagine not being able to upgrade your Linux because you have modified YOUR system to suit YOUR needs. Fuck them…
But if those modifications were known to cause the system to brick after you update, wouldn’t it be really nice if it stopped you from doing it?
And not just “yeah we know having done x will cause a bootloop after update, if you don’t know to uninstall/fix it it first, too bad.”Linux devs would just make a patch to work with that configuration as it’d be considered a bug.
How would that patch be distributed?
Lets take VLC from this Windows example, the one that blocks windows updates is a really old version of it. If you have that, you need to either uninstall VLC or remove it to get Win 11 to update.
If there was a bug where having a really old version of VLC on your system would somehow break if you updated the kernel, would a complicated workaround patch be integrated into the kernel just in case for forever?
Or would the patch work exactly the same way as windows, where it would check for that version of VLC and tell you to remove or update it first?I see you’re unaware of the number one rule of the Linux Kernel : DO NOT BREAK USER SPACE
The patch would be distributed the exact same way that we distribute every single other patch in Linux.the exact same way that we distribute every single other patch in Linux.
Which is?
I see you’re unaware of the number one rule of the Linux Kernel : DO NOT BREAK USER SPACE
For sure, my linux experience is limited to playing around with raspis and the Steam Deck, and running apt-get update / upgrade and accepting everything at once. I haven’t actually even had a need to refuse updating something individually so I have no idea what the protocol is if I wouldn’t want to update some application. What I do know is that basically every single linux application has dependencies and if you don’t install, update or remove exactly what that application demands you to do, most of them refuse to install or update themselves - blocking updating because you have or don’t have something else on your system seems to be basically the norm with Linux.
Which is?
Directly patching the code, then letting the distros do their thing.
I have no idea what the protocol is if I wouldn’t want to update some application.
You’d just put it in an exclude list in your specific package managers config file for example. The depends are forward compatible and will just keep updating as normal. Very very rarely is there ever a case where forward compatibility is broken, and if it ever is the devs did so for a very thought out reason.
blocking updating because you have or don’t have something else on your system seems to be basically the norm with Linux.
It is yes. Because if you don’t have a library an application depends on then it just won’t run.
Except “have”, that’s not a real scenario; it’s always a matter of not having something; there’s packages that may conflict because they provide a different implementation of the same interface, but you’ll never be blocked by an application that depends on that interface.
The dependencies are defined by the distro maintainers when they packaged the software.
It ensures that package will function properly when installed.If you really really want a really really old version of something that depends on deprecated dependencies/libs, there’s always portable and universal package solutions that include those specific deps with it instead of relying on system libs.
blocking updating because you have or don’t have something else on your system seems to be basically the norm with Linux.
i mean yeah, when it does happen that’s the correct failstate. The difference here is that it’s trivial to troubleshoot and maintain. The chance that this happens is very low, unless somebody is rearranging packages in your repo. In which case that’s an easy enough fix, and usually already scripted for. Something to do with AUR, which doesn’t touch pacman. Or some hilariously convoluted piece of software kerfuckery.
Usually, it’s handled remarkably gracefully.
Usually it’ll be available as a flatpak or something, which is a special container that can have outdated dependencies and whatnot without impacting the rest of the system.
So if you really need some old version of VLC or something, just wrap it in a container and upgrade away! The upgrade would remove any incompatible apps (not containerized apps, just the system installed apps) and it would be on you to create or install that package if you haven’t already (almost everything old I’ve needed is already available).
So go ahead and use the VLC initial release from 2001 or whatever, you might need to do some archeology to get the right versions of dependencies though.
idk maybe if you can detec the specific issue, you should maybe like, tell the user.
Wow, imagine using a corporate owned operating system.
Laughs in Ubuntu
laughs in another corporate OS?
Wait… canonical?
Best Canon event ever. Using Ubuntu to escape macroshit’s garbage
Haha probably so. But they are a corporation
You misspelled Fedora
Why?
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I feel bad for Windows users, they just can’t catch a break can they?
It was already bad enough that we’re stuck trying to use a trash OS to run our games and soul-sucking corporate crap, but now we have to ditch our customization tools to get updates that we need?
Thank goodness I mostly just use Linux.
If only others had access to Linux, I really feel bad for them. :)
What apps and links please? Just so I know what not to download.
::: (Yes I know its in the article…) :::
Excuse me what
It looks like they break Microsoft’s update mechanism somehow, and Microsoft won’t work around it. If it’s because they’d have to make special cases just for one app I get it, but it doesn’t seem like that’s what’s happening.
they break Microsoft’s update mechanism somehow
Microsoft’s update mechanism breaks Microsoft’s update mechanism.
There were so many times that updating Win7 was a nightmare. I used to do plenty of fresh installs on various PCs and I would have to wait a day or sometimes more to get the OS up to date. I would have thought we moved past this by now.
Definitely not. Sometimes you even have to install additional bloatware like “HP support assistant” for example to complete the update process because the built-in update system is dysfunctional af.
Yup or Dell SupportAssist, or Lenovo System Update, etc
Hmm… I’ll have to look for these applications. Some of them seem ubiquitous.
Well, I have two of those. I guess I’ll just go fuck myself than, huh?
DeskModder noted that it wasn’t as simple as blocking an app based entirely on its name; for example, while VLC is listed in the big list of services and apps that are disallowed, it’s specifically listing a Windows 7 version of VLC.
Sounds like Windows has a problem with really old versions only. I guess you should be fine as long as you keep your apps relatively fresh.
People don’t read articles and you are asking them to keep their apps fresh? Just let them fuck themselves
Rule 1 in Reddit: never read the article
Rule 2: react to the headline
Since we’re on Lemmy, I thought I might get away with breaking the rules.
Havent updated my v10 for 3+ years and dont plan to
WUMT was good to me.
