I mean, we do the same thing, for the same reasons, with our government and defense procurement orders these days. This isn’t that weird. It’s only weird in that they’re clearly cutting themselves off from the best high-volume x86 CPU manufacturers that currently exist, but aside from that, the geopolitical and strategic calculus adds up.
Gee, now it makes me think there’s an ulterior motive to conquering Taiwan…
The entire reason they haven’t tried yet is because they know they can’t do it without TSMC being scuttled.
Well the thing is Taiwan’s official name is the Republic of China and they, just like the People’s Republic of China, consider themselves to be China. Officially it is a reunification (by force if necessary) of the two China’s. Its not like North and South Korea where they are officially separate countries because they both consider themselves to be one country. It’s a complicated situation from a civil war and colonization from Japan.
Tell you what’s really hilarious is listening to Chinese (mainland Chinese, any province) completely lose their shit and turn into a rabid psychopath driveling screaming moron as soon as anyone says “Taiwan number one!”.
They act like it’s the most offensive possible thing that can be said apart from Xi looking like Winnie the Pooh…because he does of course.
Nationalists are a funny bunch.
They consider themselves to be China, but don’t want to be part of the People’s Republic, I wonder why…
No, the Republic of China considers itself to be the official Chinese government and that other government, the People’s Republic of China, is a rouge state. The RC doesn’t have the military might to bring them under control and the PRC feels the same about the RC. It’s like if Texas and other southern states went rouge, declared themselves the United States of America, claimed all 50 states as part of America, and DC called BS and also claimed all 50 states. If no force is used to reconcile then only negotiations remain and that is where China is now.
Hey China I made you this sweet horse statue in the form of an x86 processor – You should put it in the town square to show it off and then all go to sleep…
x86 is dying, legacy processing. It’s all GPU’s and ARM processing now. Apple is leaning hard into it so they set themselves as a leader in AI in the future.
You very obviously don’t understand the truly enormous power of technical inertia.
Except a lot of infrastructure runs on legacy software. There’s stuff built on like windows 2000 that is still used by hospitals and governments.
There’s a lot of critical infrastructure running on Windows 3.1. A lot of very expensive machinery runs on proprietary software only released as x86 binaries, from autoclaves to MRI machines.
Oh, and here’s the fun part: Basically the only appeal Windows has is its legacy software support. ‘My games just work.’ ‘My software just runs.’ That wasn’t the case with the ARM editions of Windows, you couldn’t just run a .exe. So they either have to do emulation, which in most cases WINE under Linux works better, or lock you into their app store which is Apple but 1,000 times shittier.
You’re not wrong, but most of this legacy software runs on legacy hardware as well. Win 2k isn’t supported by most modern hardware
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You’re getting down voted but in all honesty, you’re not wrong. All it takes is one x86/64 alternative to show the world that Intel and AMD aren’t the only players in the game. Apple did it with ARM and the m1 chip, now we’re hearing reports of Microsoft actually putting a real effort into ARM and making their own chips for AI instead of that half-assed Windows on ARM initiative. I for one love this competition, because that only benefits the consumers.
ARM computers are positively repugnant. This abobination of an architecture MUST be exterminated.
Now I’m curious to know why.
Take any pc, install any random OS. Take any arm based cell phone. Try installing ANY different OS. ARM is an hardware prison and a e-waste manufacturer.
They’re not great, yet, but they’re pretty cheap and really small. They’ll probably get a lot better in the future though, remember the speed of x86 CPU’s was once measured in MgHZ. I remember my first P4 with one whole GgHZ of speed, before even dual core CPU’s.
China bans Intel and AMD from government machines, the US blocked Huawei from the entirety of the US.
Only Chinese code is present, namely [lists three linux distros]
Linus Torvalds: *clears throat*
China Huawei’ing Linux
I mean, i get it. But i wish the world would just work together on everything and stop with the country bullshit. Imagine the stuff we could make if everyone worked together.
Brothers, brothers! We should be struggling together!
Well they probably know what they put in the CPUs they export to the US and Europe, so why would they?
Whatever that gets a RISC-V open source chip made i am supporting don’t care if its china or russia lets just hope this makes the giants follow along .
China, Russia, and open source? Hahaha
Execs from Huawei and Tencent are on the board of directors for the Linux Foundation.
That should set your alarm bells ringing.
I don’t know if it should. Linux is obviously important to the Chinese. The foundation also has employees from Intel, VMWare, Meta, Qualcomm, Microsoft, and all the Japanese electronics manufacturers on the board. If we are so afraid of China maybe we should pull all of our manufacturing back.
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Obviously there isn’t a consensus. 187 House Republicans and 33 Senate Republicans voted against the CHIPS Act for example.
Yeah i also thought about it but decided to be optimistic for a sec . Atleast i hope they indirectly press others to do so.
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Databases also make the list, and again nothing from Western devs made the cut. But Alibaba Cloud’s PolarDB is mentioned, as is Tencent’s TDSQL and a handful of other made-in-China efforts.
That’s a big one.
Unless Chinese firms have been straight-up stealing trade secrets and code from the likes of Oracle and have produced such a blatant knock-off of their software that in any other country, they would have been sued out of existence, I can see a five week transition being messy-as-fuck.
Transitions to new database systems take months or even years to implement, not the 5 weeks mandated by the Chinese Communist Party. This is especially the case when you’re dealing with important stakeholder data, huge data volumes and/or statutory requirements like financial reporting.
100% someday they will use the approved CPU list to have only those with secure boot/locked bootloader enforcing only their approved operating systems too.
So, like our horrible cellphones
None of the CPUs on that list contain Intel Management Engine. What gives China, you don’t want a CPU in your CPU?
Is this really a surprise since we ban them from using our tech. I wouldn’t want my tech to hinge on an other country that doesn’t want me to have the stronger than average stuff either tbh.
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Zilog: my time has come!
What is very impressive is that they can easily supply their government without CPUs from Intel and AMD. Chinese semiconductor industry has come far.
So the Hygon Dhyana CPUs ended up not being different enough from the Zen 1 Epycs to make the list, then? Interesting.
Why are Rockchip, Allwinner and other Chinese companies allowed to sell their garbage in western countries?
Because open trade is a good thing?
