This is a loss for everyone. Fuck these clowns.
Trump judge.
Bitcoin is currently at $57,000 and it’s up 144% in the last year. Haters gonna hate
Wow, a volatile currency backed by nothing has large swings in value and if you pick the right date range you can tell any story you want? That’s pretty amazing.
Yeah it’s called a “dead cat bounce”. Zoom out by about 7 years.
Take it from a veteran. They get longer and longer with each iteration of boom/bust cycle. I’ve been into this shit since 2012. Long before the cryptobros all piled in.
I don’t know how much you know about bitcoin, but 7 years ago it was worth $1,100.
That’s not my point. I was talking about the recent price rise.
Every boom/bust cycle so far (and there have been about 4 or 5 of them), you get an initial spike, followed by a second one, and then a long, drawn out “despair” period after a crash.
What you’re seeing is the second bounce of a spike that has been ongoing since about 2019/2020. The “despair” phase is probably not too far off now.
I know the past is no indicator of future results, but when it happens over and over and over again, well…
I hadn’t realized Lemmy was so anti-bitcoin.
Anyway, bitcoin etf’s are a new thing and money is pouring in. Only time will tell, but with all the etf money and the impending halfing, the future looks bright.
Is bitcoin volatile? Undoubtedly.
Buy during the dispair period.
As a former Bitcoin user and fan, I am also anti-Bitcoin. Until they can figure out how to run the network without drawing the energy equivalent of an entire developing country just to check if some numbers are correct in a database, I can’t morally justify myself using it any more.
Bitcoin doesn’t need to figure anything out, alternatives that cost essentially 0 energy in comparison already exist on a massive scale.
Ooh, better go vegan then.
Again, I’m not sure how much you know about bitcoin because the boom/bust cycles you’re talking about are reflections of the halving cycle, not dead cat bounces. The next halving is going to happen in April this year, and after that the price is going to go up even more. I’ve been through this before, I’m not worried about the despair phase but that’s not what’s coming next.
True, but keep in mind that the effect of each halving on price is smaller.
That makes sense, since each halving reduces the supply by a smaller amount. But it will still have an upward pressure on the price.
Spoken like a true moron with zero insight.
Surely this time it won’t crash and burn right?
Yeah, it always crashes. So what, then I’m only up 10000%, not 20000%.
Ransoms gotta get paid
Cryptobros and crypto miners are some of the most worthless people in the world. Just a waste of oxygen and resources.
That’s exactly who billionaires who have yachts and private jets want you to take your anger out on. Good job falling for it.
won’t someone think of the poor speculators
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I feel exactly the same about the billionaires.
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Bunch of fucking tools.
Everyone is a bit shit here (including whoever came up with that title…). No one “won” anything here.
DoE wanted to use “emergency” measures to survey miner’s energy use, which is likely outside of the scope of the original intent of such powers (which appears to be why the judge granted a temporary restraining order?).
The Bitcoin miner’s claim the data release would cause “irreparable harm to their business…” If that’s not an admission of guilt, then I don’t know what is.
temporary restraining order?
It’s just a type of pretrial injunction. You need to show that irreparable harm would come if the DOE did this. It’s helpful to have the case look like you’d win. Since the judge already said that it looks like they’d win, he’d likely extend it all the way to the end of the trial.
Thanks! I wasn’t clear on that detail!
keep mum about energy use
Whose mum?
US headline
“keep mum”
There is one impostor among us
Probably ai generated
Mum as in quiet is uncommon but not unheard of in the us. Probably more common than mum for mother, anyway.
“Mum’s the word”
Time to call an emergency meeting
This is dumb but only because we don’t worry about energy use any other time. Tons of places in my city keep all their lights on 24/7 unnecessarily, we all are sitting on a “useless” social media, video games and movies and music are all energy uses. I don’t want the government to start limiting energy use on things it deems unimportant. Who gets to decide what counts? Just implement a carbon tax and energy use will go down if people don’t want to pay. We don’t need to police everyone’s usage, we just need the cost to actually reflect the externalities.
I want to agree with you, but crypto mining is orders of magnitude more energy than the worst lazy energy leaks.
Not that I don’t believe you, but do you have a source for that?
There were sources in the article that says that Bitcoin mining basically wasted a countries worth of resources, increasing our overall electric bills.
Yeah I see that now. Thanks for pointing it out. It did take a minute to go through and find the actual sources as The Verge likes to source themselves. So I’ll put the two (at least I think) sources.
This source shows where most of the mining is taking place.This is the second source that shows how much Energy is being consumed.
So true. These fu**ing schools keeping their lights on the whole night and vacations, with their old lamps, while people like me measure their lamps and turn everything off…
Also the amount of 4K or more useless data transfer, ads, unnecessary youtube videos where there could be only audio (if they made that free, you can use any FOSS client and do the same)
We could just solve the problem the capitalist way and just charge businesses extra for their power usage. That’ll get them to care.
Currently at least in the US we charge them less. This is usually due to something called Economy of Scale. As well as the fact there is more competition for Business energy. As well as the fact they are usually locked into a contract for energy. 1
With Carbon tax only the rich win, we need carbon credits
No it’s really really easily to implement taxation that’s not regressive.
A progressive tax that means the biggest users pay the most would probably be ideal (but then that’s mostly true in every situation)
Why is it not that way already?
Because it would affect rich folks more, so they spend some money now to convince lawmakers not to charge them more later.
So it’s not so easy to implement after all
Did I say easy? I think I said ideal.
How comes I never saw that implemented, then? Progressive taxation stops “progressing” at around the 100k threshold and that’s basically just a decent salary. The Rich are never really affected by it.
Carbon credits would be a way to level the ground in some situations and could give you a right to say NO to people consuming more than their share, or at least account for externalities and get paid if you allow them to use your “quota”.
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The economic drivers of Bitcoin mining make it so that the cost of the electricity needed to mine a Bitcoin will always be just a bit less than the value of a Bitcoin.
Every time speculators hype up the value of Bitcoin the amount of money wasted on electricity increases.
Bitcoins are mined at a preset rate of 6.25 bitcoins every 10 minutes. Which does at least get cut in half every few years. But this waste of energy is going to continue so long as there’s a market for Bitcoin.
[…] use roughly as much electricity as all of the nation’s home computers combined
Bitcoin mining also risks stressing out the power grid in Texas, a crypto hub in the US where the state’s grid operator has paid Riot more than $31 million in energy credits to curb its electricity use during heatwave-induced demand spikes. Bitcoin mining has also brought sputtering fossil fuel power plants back to life and raised electricity costs for some residents in New York.
It’s clear why the survey is necessary.
Why did they make it an emergency survey in the first place? Is there no “normal” survey alternative?
With the continued adoption of electric cars and heat pumps, the energy grid needs to be expanded either way.
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Does anyone know how much energy the banking system uses?
Edit: lol so much downvote for a reasonable question? Enjoy your inflation and your money being sent overseas by your masters squares
https://www.youtube.com/live/1jOUnFH-Ins?si=DNiscpajsDoUmbvd
A fraction of what it takes for thousands of machines to perform rework of the same problem.
Bitcoin miners aren’t doing re work, they mine the next block of thousands of transactions.
There’s also the other side of the conversation that over 51% of the network uses green energy.
I never liked this kind of argument, because if bitcoin ever becomes truly mainstream, the similar ecosystem will grow around it in addition to the mining itself.
We really should focus on the renewable energy sources rather than argue who burns how much and for what reason. There’s a price mechanism (albeit flawed) for that.
I totally understand, I’m tired of having the conversation as well. In the video I posted earlier it sheds light on how renewable energy companies can be incentivised to add mining bitcoin to their process. Has a lot to do with modern tech and how energy is used/distributed.
Example of a mining company working with the Navajo nation in the US adding solar panels.
No. If a crypto were adopted at that scale, it wouldn’t be proof-of-work, so there would be no “miners” and (comparatively) no energy consumption whatsoever.
There is no clear advantage of proof of stake cryptocurrencies compared to blockchain-less centralized databases. IMHO It’s either Bitcoin, or PayPal 2.0
edit: But since people tend to be weird, maybe no advantage is needed…
yaaay.
