Online travel agent allows customers to filter out Boeing 737 Max planes::Kayak customers can exclude Max 9 aircraft after cabin panel blowout on Alaska Airlines flight
Seems small but something like this could kill this plane as a passenger jet if enough people are avoiding em.
Sounds like capitalism in its best form.
Like clockwork
If it’s Boeing, I’m not going.
If it’s Boeing, you’re not going, one way or another.
Hardly likely. If enough people start doing it, either airlines will start hiding the plane model, or boeing will rename it after some marketing to show things have changed, and the world will move on.
If this was the first incident with the Max, I’d agree with you.
But repeated issues close together have caused regulators amd the general public to look closer at Boeing as a whole; particularly their inspection, certification, and maintenance practices. I don’t think this will go away easily.
I’m starting to see content like this often:
yes… this does not seem a problem with Max, but one with Boeing. The US passengers don’t really have an option to choose Airbus when most of the airlines’ fleet in the US is Boeing.
I don’t think this will go away easily.
We can hope so.
Multiple airlines in the US already have majority Airbus fleets. It’s not quite as hard to avoid as you might think
Delta is primarily an Airbus fleet. They do not currently fly any 737 MAX planes, though they have ordered 100 Max 10s for delivery starting in 2025.
I’ll assume they’re being pressured into it by the significant fuel savings the max offers over their current fleet.
Or, if are willing to fly any of the big 3’s regional brands it’ll be on a regional jet which Boeing doesn’t make. Generally those are made by Bombardier or less commonly Embraer. Though, bigger plane means smoother flight.
I’ll assume they’re being pressured into it by the significant fuel savings the max offers over their current fleet.
Perhaps to replace existing 737s. But the Airbus A320neo has similar fuel efficiency with high bypass turbofans.
I agree with you on this one. There’s public sentiment and then there’s market reality. The hard truth is that most people have a need for a practical flight route within a certain window and there’s limited choices. Delta, United, etc. only have so many aircraft servicing so many routes and they already bought the aircraft and have to use them. While I’d personally like to avoid the 737 MAX, if it’s the only feasible choice, then that’s the one I gotta roll the dice on. I guess I’ll avoid window seats if possible.
don’t forget one of those aviator hats with visor, just in case
Nah, they will simply sell the planes to other markets. I’m sure there are plenty of non-US airlines willing to gobble up planes at a discount. The pundit and lobby machine would get engaged and magically there would be a big industry bailout to cover the losses.
The US is where they’re getting away with murder on their certification process. If the FAA cracks down on them, the world will follow the FAA’s guidance.
If I recall correctly this is basically what killed the dc-10
I’m all for it to be honest. The 737 Max sounds like a death trap, and until Boeing is banned from certifying their own planes nobody should be flying in these IMO.
The FAA needs to start certifying these themselves again, and remove the existing loopholes/exemptions that allow some design changes to avoid recertification
Too bad if you’re already booked and the airline company changes the plane on you…
A bit of clickbait. Yes they’ve added the option to filter out 737 Max 9, but also a bunch of older Boeing and Airbus planes
I just checked this myself:
The last few incidents with the MAX series has me on edge with them. I fly planes myself (GA) and am an aviation geek. It’s only 3 incidents but it seems like they rushed the MAX out too quickly to compete with Airbus. I could be really wrong.
The MAX 8 series was the one where they had additional software to correct the climb and this caused two accidents of total loss in passenger planes Lion Air Flight 610 and Ethiopians Flight 302.
Between March 2017 and March 2019, the global fleet of 387 aircraft operated 500,000 flights and experienced two fatal crashes, having a fatal accident rate of four accidents per million flights, whereas the previous Boeing 737 generations averaged 0.2 fatal accidents per million flights.
Then we have the MAX 9 that had a door blow off because of a missing door plug. Thankfully, no deaths and only minor injuries.
If Boeing were extremely smart, they would replace the 737 with a net new design serving the same market segment. The 737 just sits too low to the ground. The giant LEAP engines were shoehorned on where they shouldn’t have been and two planes full of people are dead because of it. With the open rotor engines likely to be the next evolution, I’m not even sure they couldn’t put those on the 737.
Add in that the 737-900ER has the same door plug design, it makes me wonder if it is rational to fear the Max 9 specifically. I would actually prefer to fly a max 9 that was forced to have a recent inspection instead of the older 737-900ER that recently had scrutiny for the same door if my fear was the door plug itself.
I have a flight in a MAX 7 in a couple of weeks. 🙃
That plane hasn’t even been certified. I guess Aeromexico got a good deal on planes that were supposed to be delivered to Southwest
For what it’s worth… Neither the FAA nor ICAO certify Boeing… Boeing certifies themselves!
In all honesty, you should be good to go. FAA and aviation companies have made the required changes and updates.
But is the option to filter by plane model itself new?
If you’re adding a filter so people can avoid a certain plane, it makes sense to add more than one model of plane.
You’re asking a good question, but I don’t have the answer. I don’t usually use Kayak.
There’s more than just safety reasons to avoid specific model of plane. While both are Boeing, a First Class seat on a United 737 (of any variety) is a subpar experience compared to a First Class seat on a United 787. If you’re making a long trip and paying the top dollar for that, filtering out the 737s and A320 planes makes a lot of sense.
Dude I’ve never been on an A380 this may be my chance
I don’t want to filter out the max8/max8 planes because of bad pitot tubes or blowouts or nosedives.
I want to filter them out because even on a good day they’re horribly appointed terrible airplanes with absolutely nothing redeeming about them.
And I fly the fancy seats.
The fact they even HAVE a configuration where the back loo is right next to the galley with an open-air American-style bathroom partition separating the two, that should get someone arrested.
Seems like a smart function. I would not feel safe in a Boeing at the moment.
I was just thinking about this lastnight; I don’t fly often, but next time I do, I’ll be paying attention to which plane is actually used and avoiding the max.
I’ve never paid any attention to the plane model before.
Boeing fucked up pretty big with this plane if even those that pretty much never fly are thinking this way.
Boeing is literally making planes that don’t fly.
They don’t deserve to be in business.
I don’t see the 737 Max being taken off the market even with these options and rebranding wont help as airlines will still list the new model which will be publicly announced by Boeing. So what’s the market adjustment going to be? Cheaper fare? I can honestly see people surging to buy a seat on this deathcraft if prices fall enough. It’ll be like choosing between organic and pesticide-riddled.
My first thought after the door incident was that I hope this brings the price down of air travel, looks like that’s happening
I dunno I would still fly on a Boeing for a discount
When every single incident makes national news, yeah, they’re pretty damn safe still. I’ll take the cheap tickets, thanks.
If it’s not Boeing then who? Santoclose? Airbus? China?
Obviously they fucked up. Unfortunately they are the competition. This is what happens when there’s a monopoly.
I say, fuck Google and Amazon and get those monopolies in check.
If it’s not Boeing then who? Santoclose? Airbus? China?
Airbus. Easy answer. I’d rather fly on an A320 than a 737 anyway, especially an A320neo vs 737max.
Obviously Airbus, who make better planes. Boeing certainly don’t have a monopoly, take a look on Flightradar. Airbus are killing it, especially in EU.
