“There’s no way to get there without a breakthrough,” OpenAI CEO Sam Altman said, arguing that AI will soon need even more energy.
Optimizing power consumption? Why?!
Unity developers be like.
Some of the smartest people on the planet are working to make this profitable. It’s fucking hard.
You are dense and haven’t taking even a look at simple shit like hugging face. Power consumption is about the biggest topic you find with anyone in the know.
Some of the smartest people on the planet are working to make this profitable. It’s fucking hard.
[Take a look at] hugging face. Power consumption is about the biggest topic you find with anyone in the know.
^ fair comment
The human brain uses about 20W. Maybe AI needs to be more efficient instead?
Perfect let’s use human brains as CPUs then. Not the whole brain just the unused bits.
I’ve seen that film
It’s what matrix would’ve been if the studios didn’t think people would too dumb to get it, so we ended with the nonsense about batteries.
They also thought we wouldn’t understand how Switch could be a woman in the matrix but a man in the real world. So they just made the character a butch woman because apparently that’s easier somehow. So many little changes like this were made.
Holy fuck now her name makes so much more sense. God dammit, why are we so fucking stuck up as a society that we couldn’t even keep that
Tbf that society was a while ago now.
I don’t think it’s gotten better, and honestly they oversimplify even more today. For some reason
Flubber!
We use all of our brain. Well, some of us try to anyway.
I would love it (if there exists a FOSS variant of that) imagine being able to run a LLM, or even LAM in your head,
wait…
🤔
That would require a revolutionary discovery in material science and hardware.
And yet we have brains. This brute force approach to machine learning is quite effective but has problems scaling. So, new energy sources or new thinking?
We just run the AI for a gazillion epochs and then it’s
overfittedevolved intelligence. Thanks Darwin we did it again.
It’d be way easier to just grow brains instead
How about an efficiency breakthrough instead? Our brains just need a meal and can recognize a face without looking at billions of others first.
I mean, we can only do that because our system was trained for hundreds of thousands, millions of years into being able to recognise others of same species
Almost all of our training was done without requiring burning fossil fuels. So maybe ole Sammy can put the brakes on his shit until it’s as fuel efficient as a human brain.
While that is true, a lot of death and suffering was required for us to reach this point as a species. Machines don’t need the wars and natural selection required to achieve the same feats, and don’t have our same limitations.
They are nowhere NEAR achieving the same feats as humans.
But the training has already been done, no?
Erm.
I recall a study about kids under a specific age that cannot get scared of looking at pictures of demons and other horror stuff because they don’t know yet what your everyday default person looks like.
So I’d argue that even people need to get accustomed to a thing before they could recognise or have an opinion about anything.
We still need to look at quite a few. And the other billions have been pre-programmed by a couple of billion years of evolution.
Neurolink plus AI in 10 years is basically the matrix then.
“recognize a face”
Who’s? Can the human brain just know what someone looks like without prior experience?
Your ability to do anything is based on decades of “data sets” that you’re being constantly fed, it’s no different than an AI they just get it all at once and we have to learn by individual experience.
Great right from coin miners to the “AI” fad. Tons of carbon shot into the sky and for what? A more unequal society on both counts.
Sure, we destroyed the planet, but we did it so we could produce valuable artwork like this:
Yeah, I’d say it was worth it. It also gave us this:
🎶🎵 Middle-age mutant ninja turtles,
Middle-age mutant ninja turtles,
Middle-age mutant ninja turtles,
Heros on the Advil!
Turtle Back pain! 🎵 🎶
I can’t decide if I want this to have been written by an AI or not.
I’m not an AI, thought of it a few days ago, and this seemed like a good opportunity to deploy it
At least AI has the potential to do something useful unlike coin mining. Although its not doing much currently so not to wild about it. Maybe real ai that could actually find new energy sources.
General artificial intelligence has the potential to be actually useful. Generative AI, like Chat GPT (Generative Pre-Trained Transformer) absolutely does not. It’s a glorified autocomplete.
Chat GPT (Generative Pre-Trained Transformer) absolutely does not.
I had to help my wife with an Excel VBA script. I know a few programming languages but I don’t know vba. Hours of googling turned up no useable scripts that did what I needed. ChatGPT wrote a working VBA script in seconds.
Anyone who thinks it is a fancy auto complete hasn’t used it.
It is a fancy auto complete, just an incredibly fancy auto complete. In the same way that a computer that can run VR games, simulate the evolution of solar systems let you access something close to the sum total of human knowledge over the internet is a very fancy pocket calculator.
I think it’s better explained as a search engine that works at the word level of granularity. It lets you do a word level search of all written human knowledge which allows it to adapt to your specific prompt. It’s the next step in searching knowledge based. First we had libraries, then document search, now it’s word search. I think it’ll be impactful on the same level as the creation of libraries and search engines.
I’d tried using it for python and it made up some fake library that does not exist to handle the complex task I was asking it do it. Utterly useless. The way it works is so complicated is simply has you fooled thinking it’s more than a fancy auto complete, but it is literally exactly that. Just the “smartest” auto complete there is. Don’t worry about it, at least you did not fall it love with it and then left your wife to be with ChatGPT, right?
it’s a tool to be used like any other. If you are relying on it to produce working code with no effort on your part then yes it is likely useless. If you are using it to get you most of the way there its very useful. For example, I’m most comfortable writing python but have been doing a lot of c# recently, asking a code focused LLM questions like “how do you rename a column of a c# datatable” is so much quicker and more useful than trying to search through blogspam its not even funny.
As someone that works in IT and has seen the actual real world merit of LLMs, you guys clearly don’t work in a white collar field or you’d realize that you sound like someone in the 90’s claiming the internet is a fad.
Microsoft continues to integrate it, and on prem data and cloud engineers are hooking it up to company resources for everything from helping with data creep to handling low level repetitive tasks.
In the next ten years all bottom level data entry will be performed entirely by on premise AI models and the position of secretary will be a thing of the past, it’s not a gimmick like NFTs or crypto, it’s an actual tool that we are finding more uses for everyday.
VR and Crypto were bullshit, but AI is the real deal. On a side note I find it hilarious that out of the three options, Zuckerberg bet billions on the two wrong options. Unfortunately the rich have so much power that they can make catastrophic mistakes and still have plenty of money to finally bet on the right one.
How is VR bullshit? No Mans Sky, Elite Dangerous, Half Life Alex, more games everyday are using VR.
Unless you mean the “meta verse” decentraland kinda deal then yeah for sure.
It being the future of computer interfaces is bullshit. I enjoy it as a novelty but Zuckerberg bet on it as the “next big thing”, on par with the Internet.
They never stopped to ask if it was actually an improvement and just assumed it’s what everyone wanted.
Too bad some things are just more convenient on a screen in front of you. I don’t want to walk around a virtual grocery store, the website is fine.
Its a little useful. Its another level of meta. initially research was libraries and books/docs but you could get synopsis from atlases, encyclopedias, dictionaries. Internet allowed for gopher searching and then web browsers allowed search engines but the results did not initially have synapses so you had to check each link. Then synapsis allowed looking through links and just checking the most promising ones. generative ai allows for the most promising links to be identified without perusal. One of the most useful things the ai assitants do is provide you the main links they got their info from.
Don’t know why you are being downvoted. This is exactly it. If ChatGPT can find you a solution, then that solution is already out there and it just stole it from some human. That is fundamentally how ChatGPT works, the damn thing can’t think.
How, exactly, do you think learning in humans works? We don’t just spontaneously know things, we build on others works and iterate improvements towards our learning and discovery. You didn’t just know English, you learned it from someone else who learned it ad infinitum until you get back to the earliest stages of complex chemicals we evolved from.
When considered objectively and rationally, intellectual property is among the most insane imaginary bullshit humanity every came up with and actually adopted as a practice, but here we are. Thoughts and prayers.
And document search is just a glorified library 🙄
I heard that the human body can produce more bioelectricity than a battery
Which is bullshit for obvious reasons. Humans are no eels.
In fact, the original script of The Matrix had the machines harvest humans to be used as ultra efficient compute nodes. Executive meddling led to the dumb battery idea .
Yea my head cannon is the humans just have no fucking idea what the machines are doing with them and that there was only one movie
I love their original idea. Having your brainpower sapped and also being part of a collective dream that creates the world around you is such a cooler and more philosophical idea.
This was a far smarter premise. I wonder if it would have been as popular had they kept it.
Tek wars had that premise and just look at how popular that was.
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Didn’t CERN open a portal to hell recently, can’t we just steal their power? What are they using it for what could go wrong?
Big Geothermal will try to silence you on this one.
Argent Energy is extremely clean but it isn’t ethical, COWARD LIBRALS will complain that it’s made from the eternal tortured souls of the dead
Do we even need a portal to hell, aren’t we living in one?!
Yeah but our hell is out of power. Who cares about that other hell
Reminds me of the Castle Animated series on YouTube.
We could just install some heat pumps in hell and transport the energy via flux pipeline to the overworld.
So is AI the new Blockchain?
Unlike the Blockchain it has an actual use tho.
I bought pizza with bitcoin, haven’t bought anything with AI yet.
I get daily use out of LLMs but haven’t done anything with Bitcoin.
I want to use Bitcoin to buy cannabis and Soylent and have it arrive at my door via drone. Give me my better future
Give an LLM to a high school student and they could do something with it.
Try to explain block chain to an adult and watch them pretend to understand.
Always was.
We must disassemble the solar system and make
paperclipsAI server farmsI love when people invent something then complain about how dangerous it is. It really hits you in the feels.
In the end, as always, it will only benefit the companies. And all the people get is put out of a job because they have been replaced by some piece of software no one even understands anymore.
This is a silly take, people have benefitted hugely from all the big tech developments in the past and will do from ai also - just as you have a mobile phone that can save and improve your life in a myriad of ways so you’ll have access to various forms of ai which will do similar. GPS is a good example, functionally free and making navigation far safer, faster, and better.
Here’s a genuine already happened use case for ai benefitting you, an open source developer was able to add a whole load of useful features to their free software by using AI to help code - I know because it was me, among many many others.
I know people making open source ai tools too and they’re all using AI coding assistants - mostly the free ones. I’ve seen a lot of academic researchers using AI tools also generally built using open source tools like pytorch and with help from ai coding tools. Even if you don’t use ai yourself you’re already benefitting from it, even if you don’t use open source software the services you rely on do.
Imagine being able to implement the most advanced and newest methodologies in your design process or get answers to complex and niche questions about new technology instantly. You buy a printer for example and say to your computer ‘I’ve plugged in a printer make it work’ and it says ‘ok, there isn’t a driver available that’ll work with your pc but I’ve written one based on the spec in the datasheet, do you want me to print a test page?’
Imagine being able to say ‘talk me through diagnosing a fault on my washing machine’ and it guides you through locating and fixing the fault, possibly by designing a replacement part and giving you fabrication options.
Or being able to say ‘this website is annoying, change it so that I only see the video window’ or ‘make a playlist in release order of all abba songs that charted’ or ‘check on currently available archives to see if there’s a mirror of this deleted post’ or ‘check all the sites and see if anyone posted a sub version of the next episode of this anime’ or ‘Keep an eye on this lemmy community and add any popular memes involving fish to my feed but don’t bother with any meta stuff or aquatic mammals’ or ‘this advert says I can make free money, is it ligit?’
The use cases that will directly benefit your life are almost endless, natural language computing is a huge deal even without task based solvers and physical automation but we also have those too so the increased ability of people to make community projects and freely shared designs is huge.
So much for hoping ai was going to solve energy breakthroughs.
Got to spend energy breakthroughs to make energy breakthroughs?
Or we could stop this ridiculous llm “ai” trend and move towards sustainable living like our hyper-waste society
These comments often indicate a lack of understanding about ai.
Ml algorithms have been in use for nearly 50 years. They certainly become much more common since about 2012, particularly with the development of CUDA, It’s not just some new trend or buzz word.
Rather, what we starting to see are the fruits of our labour. There are so many really hard problems that just cannot be solved with deductive reasoning.
All it costs is power, one of the easiest things to make sustainable until we can make a computer that runs on beans.
AI is already too useful to give up, it’s not “ridiculous”
Why is it ridiculous?
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OH NO, AI IS THE BLOCKCHAIN.
dude think about this stuff before you open the floodgates bro
That requires someone in business to think beyond the next quarter’s profits.
That requires someone in business to think
I’m not convinced that Altman has cleared this beyond meaningless buzzwords
Just don’t forget the BIG circuit breakers.
Some day we are going to need them.The sun gives us free energy. Is he aware of that?
Not efficiently and not as reliably as a nuclear reactor though. It would if they built a space station in an orbit with minimal other objects getting in the way of it and the sun. Teach the ai in between Sol and Venus and bring it back if it discovers anything useful rather than making revenge porn and plagiarizing artists
1 GW of solar is much cheaper than 1 GW of nuclear. Solar is both cheaper to build and cheaper to run. It’s the most efficient energy source e currently have.
It also turns on and off outside of any human control.
Plus it doesn’t have the con of meltdown and nuclear fallout. Safer nuclear power is still potentially fucking dangerous for life for 20000 years. Nuclear fission energy is the height of human hubris.
Nuclear produces that 1 GW 24/7 and all year though. My solar panels vastly overproduce on most summer days and are worthless at nights and from fall to spring.
If we’re still talking about AI, you can ramp up the AI training and batch workloads when the sun is shining and stop them overnight. It’s one of those things like aluminum smelters where you can adjust the load
They stop reactors all the time. It’ll probably be cheaper to get a massive battery pack+solar
