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    Surprise, that’s completely unenforceable.

    Yet more out of touch legislators working with things they can’t even begin to understand.

    (And I’m not shilling for fucking AI here, but let’s call a spade a spade.)

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      I’m not so sure. A lot of environmental laws require companies to self report exceeding limits, and they actually do. It was a common thing for my contact engineer colleagues to be called up at night to calculate release amounts because their unit had an upset.

      A law like this would force companies to at least pretend to comply. None can really say “we’re not going to because you can’t catch us”.

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      Hmm, technically speaking we could require images be digitally signed, tie it to a CA, and then browsers could display a “this image is not trusted” warning like we do for https issues.

      People that don’t source their images right would get their cert revoked.

      Would be a win for photo attribution too.

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      2 years ago

      Watermarks? Super important. Helping the unhoused though, nooooo.

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      It is enforceable. Not in all cases, probably not even in the majority, but it only needs a few examples to be hit with large fines and everyone doing legal things will take notice. Often you can find enough evidence to get someone to confess to using AI and that is aall the courts need.

      Scammers of course will not put this in, but they are already breaking the law so this might be - like tax evasion - be a way to get scammers who you can’t get for something else.

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    Watermarking AI-generated content might sound like a practical approach for legislators to track and regulate such material, but it’s likely to fall short in practice. Firstly, AI technology evolves rapidly, and watermarking methods can become obsolete almost as soon as they’re developed. Hackers and tech-savvy users could easily find ways to remove or alter these watermarks.

    Secondly, enforcing a universal watermarking standard across all AI platforms and content types would be a logistical nightmare, given the diversity of AI applications and the global nature of its development and deployment.

    Additionally, watermarking doesn’t address deeper ethical issues like misinformation or the potential misuse of deepfakes. It’s more of a band-aid solution that might give a false sense of security, rather than a comprehensive strategy for managing the complexities of AI-generated content.

    This comment brought to you by an LLM.

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      It would also be impossible to force a watermark on open source AI image generators such as stable diffusion since someone could just download the code, disable the watermark function and compile it or just use an old version.

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        You can do that, but if you are in California you have just broken the law. If California enforces the law you will discover projects all make a big deal about this since users can be arrested for violation of the law if they don’t handle it correctly. Most likely it is just turned on by default for all versions, but there is also the possibility that they have large warning about turning it off. Note that if you go with warning nobody with your project should travel to California as then you are liable for helping someone violate the law.

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      Plus what if the creator simply doesn’t live in California. What are they gonna do about it?

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      Here’s the summary for the wikipedia article you mentioned in your comment:

      The evil bit is a fictional IPv4 packet header field proposed in a humorous April Fools’ Day RFC from 2003, authored by Steve Bellovin. The Request for Comments recommended that the last remaining unused bit, the “Reserved Bit” in the IPv4 packet header, be used to indicate whether a packet had been sent with malicious intent, thus making computer security engineering an easy problem – simply ignore any messages with the evil bit set and trust the rest.

      to opt out, pm me ‘optout’. article | about

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    The problem here will be when companies start accusing smaller competitors/startups of using AI when they haven’t used it at all.

    It’s getting harder and harder to tell when a photograph is AI generated or not. Sometimes they’re obvious, but it makes you second guess even legitimate photographs of people because you noticed that they have 6 fingers or their face looks a little off.

    A perfect example of this was posted recently where, 80-90% of people thought that the AI pictures were real pictures and that the Real pictures were AI generated.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20240122054948/https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/01/19/technology/artificial-intelligence-image-generators-faces-quiz.html

    And where do you draw the line? What if I used AI to remove a single item in the background like a trashcan? Do I need to go back and watermark anything that’s already been generated?

    What if I used AI to upscale an image or colorize it? What if I used AI to come up with ideas, and then painted it in?

    And what does this actually solve? Anyone running a misinformation campaign is just going to remove the watermark and it would give us a false sense of “this can’t be AI, it doesn’t have a watermark”.

    The actual text in the bill doesn’t offer any answers. So far it’s just a statement that they want to implement something “to allow consumers to easily determine whether images, audio, video, or text was created by generative artificial intelligence.”

    https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202320240SB942

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    If your computer is connected through a VPN to a different state, does that mean you can get around it?

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    Completely impractical. If something is AI generated, or manipulated with Photoshop or in the darkroom really doesn’t make a difference. AI isn’t special here, photo manipulation is about as old as the photograph itself. It would be much better to spend some effort into signing authentic images,including a whole chain of trust up to the actual camera. Luckily the Content Authenticity Initiative is already working on that.

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    … and also abortion doctors to carry medicine that reverses abortion if a women wants it.

    Come on dems! Republicans are blowing us out of the water on requiring absurd technology that doesn’t exist. We should try to enforce the 3 laws of robotics!

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    It’d be nice to trace an artwork back to it’s source. But I don’t think this is actually practical.