How disappointed we will all be when all the boomers are dead and it doesn’t solve any of our problems.
We’ll just have to see, won’t we?
Plus, it’s not like the climate will just snap back into place when the boomers are finally too old for their skeleton talons to cling to power. That shit is going to take generations of sacrifice to roll back, if it doesn’t topple civilization first.
The whole ethos of the majority of baby boomers seems to have been to raze the forest they got to enjoy behind them (as opposed to planting trees whose shade they’d never sit in like most generations aspire to), and they seem to be having remarkable success in that.
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The wealthy are savvy but with the boomers gone they lose a lot of their support. Of course they will try to maintain the status quo, but the people will be affected by the material conditions and see the truth. The only thing we have to fear is hate, but MTG, Boebart and Desantis were all elected by Boomers. Young people don’t vote for those idiots. I’m more concerned about Andrew Tate.
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This isn’t new though, many boomers were the hippies at one point, they had the photocopier, fairness doctrine TV & Radio and liberal attitudes for sex, gender, and civil rights.
But the same tactics were used to stop and convert many of them, plus around half of them were the same sort of assholes that give them a bad name now.
thats the ethos you project onto boomers, not the ethos boomers live by.
The results speak for themselves. The majority of their generation’s attitudes about the results indicate satisfaction with the results.
Not true. You dont know what they think or feel
Ok boomer
The issues they left behind will last for generations. Funny that anyone could believe this goes away in our lifetime.
Or that we won’t make new problems that we get to blame on new generations. It will never end
It’s not about a magic cure that’ll fix everything over night.
It’s about repairing decades of harm done by a generational mindset that valued wealth acquisition and material possession above every other facet of society. We won’t fix that trauma in one, two, or three generations but it will get better and better with time and distance to boomerism.
The values of wealth accumulation and materialism are not at all limited to or even expressed mostly strongly by the Baby Boomer generation.
The line of thinking that capitalism dies with boomers or that Gen X, Millennials, Gen Z, or whatever comes next will not fully embrace capitalism and will move towards socialism or some other non-competitive society seems pretty naive.
Humans are a competitive species. Most people want to win. I doubt this mindset dies with boomers.
Humans are a co-operative species, same goes for our ape and monkey cousins.
It is this instinctual nature of working together that enabled us to take down bigger prey, settle new lands, and become the dominant species on the planet.
I don’t disagree. That said, would suggest that externally we are cooperative, but internally we are competitive. Even in ape families, there exists a hierarchy generally ruled by the biggest, strongest male.
Which brings us back to the point at hand. Will humans come together to solve climate change? Or will humans continue to try to win at all costs?
I can see either as a possibility. But I don’t see boomers dying as a catalyst.
The rich are very concerned about the fact that all statistical evidence pointing to younger generations being starkly more socially minded than boomers. Don’t forget that Millennials have lived through a major economic crisis. Just like the Great Depression, that generally makes people realize that Capitalism is bullshit.
The wealthy are funding massive propaganda campaigns as a result. They are unfortunately making some in roads with young men. But overall I don’t think it will be enough.
Don’t forget that Millennials have lived through a major economic crisis.
Yes, yes we have.
I’ll be very interested to see how the younger generations age. Anecdotally, I’ve witnessed numerous people go from progressive socialists, to centrist capitalists as they age. Not saying that will continue, only saying this as I’ve seen similar studies that show younger people are more progressive than older folks every 5 years for the past 3 decades. It’s not a terribly new concept, and I’m hopeful that it remains true.
I agree! A change of the mindset is generational change at best. In many cases flawed ideologies and poor educational standards are just beeing continued. Yet I want to be one of the naive and think that there will be a new way of thinking and noticeable political change. For the better or the worse…, who knows?!
The next most conservative generation is Gen X. All few dozen of us. Expect those with power to retain it with massive use of wealth to constrain the rules of democracy, rather than numbers of voters.
It will solve the problem of their voting habits. They have lead us down this insane path because they are a narcissistic generation. Things won’t be perfect, but we might, just might, start turning things around. If we still can.
Boomer is a state of mind. They are never going extinct.
Because that’s how it works, right? When your house is flooded because of a burst pipe, when you replace the pipe then your house is magically unflooded right? I mean of course no reasonable person thinks that, but that seems to be the understanding you’re suggesting. Meanwhile you’re trying to say that if we do repair the pipe and the house is still flooded, rightly acknowledging that the pipe is 100% the cause of the flood is somehow… wrong?
The facts are that boomers fucked the world up, heavily, and did everything they could to hold onto power and rob the next generation (at least) of their deserved place in the driver’s seat of society, and cleaning up the messes and lessons left over by the boomers will take generations to clean up. The fact that boomer built long-term systemic problem without simple solutions does not mean that the boomers are not entirely at fault or that we aren’t entirely better off without them.
They’re smart to balance their checkbooks on the way out. They never let any opportunity to consume go to waste.
But then you have to blame the job creators!?
I dunno, I feel like if I lived through the Black Death and I was there when—at the end of the suffering, surrounded by death—the last plague rat died, I’d take it as a win…
most boomers where lost generation per them
i said what i said
They were called the Me Generation but they got offended and changed it to Boomer
Shame the damage they did won’t go with them.
And they’re not done yet! It’s also a shame they’ll probably waste the money they’ve accumulated on the worst possible things and people on the way out (fueling the dumpster fire).
Keanu reeves is so close to and so engrained in gen x culture that I think it’s unfair to label him a boomer
Honorary Xner
Popular comments like this remind me how mature the user base is here. Such a contrast to other social media
Gentle reminder that the whole generations thing is made up.
But true that many of these folks and older hold high positions of power, which is probably the cause for the clock.
Interesting to look at, numbers wise… but it makes me think of the time I have left with my parents. I’m calling them tomorrow!
The problem isnt going to end with them. My right wing friends are completely indoctrinated by their boomer parents. And getting louder and louder about it.
They’ll be outnumbered after the boomers are gone. They’ll either have to adapt, hide back in the shadows, or go full extremist.
Here’s to hoping. It’s exhausting. I can’t have a single conversation without them slyly trying to slip in some earworm or go off on a tirade unexpectedly because I inadvertently trigger them.
Here’s to hoping. It’s exhausting. I can’t have a single conversation without them slyly trying to slip in some earworm or go off on a tirade unexpectedly because I inadvertently trigger them.
It’s worth the effort though. Thank you, citizen, for taking the time to do so.
I would just kindly tell them to shut the fuck up
Who the fuck put keeanu in there?
Just checked, wow he’s technically a Boomer! Born in 1964, so just made it.
No, as long as he stays below 50 he’ll be fine.
Yeah, but he’s not dead yet like the picture implies
Neither is Madonna. Those aren’t pictures of dead boomers, just famous ones.
Just checked, wow he’s technically a Boomer! Born in 1964, so just made it.
The identifier should be started at the age you entered society, and not the age you came out of your mother’s womb.
You can infer the age you entered society from the age you left the womb.
You can infer the age you entered society from the age you left the womb.
That doesn’t work. Technically I’m a Boomer, but I act and think completely like a Gen-Xer.
In fact growing up I used to give Boomers crap myself, until I got more wise. They acted completely different from me, based on the times they grew up in.
I didn’t come up with the age range, but it’s been well established for a while now. Someone else told me about “Generation Jones”, which is basically just the younger half of the Boomer generation I guess. I feel like that’s splitting hairs, but who knows, maybe it makes some sort of sense to you?
That’s…not even close to a Boomer. WW2 ended 20 years earlier lol.
I don’t understand, are you confused at the age range for Boomers? It literally says it in the image…
Yes. Didn’t notice those dates. Still makes no sense if you take the name literally though…
Yes. Didn’t notice those dates. Still makes no sense if you take the name literally though…
You’re wrong chronologically, but you’re right based on how those labels are used to judge people’s social values.
So it takes 20 years for a sexed up WW2 vet to hop in the sack after returning from the war?
So it takes 20 years for a sexed up WW2 vet to hop in the sack after returning from the war?
Fuck if I know, that’s not what I’m speaking about.
You don’t pop out of your mother’s womb already programmed to have an understanding of the socieity that you live in. You learn as you go from external sources (parents, family, society) and you act a certain way at each milestone of your life (child, young teenager, older teenager, young adult, adult, middle aged, senior).
When we all judge someone by applying a generation label its done based on how they act/opine, and not the chronological date that they entered the World. There’s a lag/delay from when a person starts to exist on this Earth to the time they form a personality and express said personality.
I don’t understand, are you confused at the age range for Boomers? It literally says it in the image…
I get where they’re coming from.
The starting point is normally defined at the time you came out of your mother’s womb, but it really shouldn’t be.
It should be started at the point where you first enter society as a child, and start learning your generation’s societal values.
Basically, when you started kindergarten, or Elementary School.
They did that for Gen Z, where it’s essentially the dividing line between people who were more or less cognizant when 9/11 happened, and those who weren’t.
Keanu is eternal.
He didn’t leave the matrix yet?
Someone who can’t count. Meaning this list is completely useless.
My mother is pre-Boomer (born soon after the U.S. entered the war) and has been incredibly progressive her entire life. She has never voted for a Republican. She marched for civil rights. She wanted me to know that women and men are equal and that color and religion and ethnicity should not make you dislike someone. She taught me about sex (appropriately) when I asked about it at 3 or 4 years old rather than shielding me from it. My brother and I both have (had in my case, but that’s another story) gay best friends who were also best man at both of our weddings. She always welcomed them even though my brother and his friend became friends in the mid-1980s. I remember asking my mother what she would do if I was gay and she said she would love me no matter what I was. I don’t specifically know her politics, but my dad, born even earlier (1931) was mostly the same way. He definitely had his prejudices- although he would deny it- and he was a lot more sexist than he thought he was, but he was also an outspoken socialist until the dementia got too bad for him to be outspoken about it. One of the last things I was able to tell him before he was too far gone to understand was that Bernie was running for president.
I have certainly had a lot of issues with Boomers and people older than them, but it is far from universal, but I am really proud of my parents for always being progressive.
I am really proud of my parents for always being progressive.
I hate the burst your bubble, but they weren’t being progressive, they were being 80’s liberals. Today’s progressives are a different thing.
(BTW, your comment was a good read.)
Again, my father was a socialist. He wrote a his dissertation on Shaw and the socialist aspects of one of his plays. He was British and said he was never more proud of his homeland then when he helped it usher in the National Health Service with his vote. When I moved here to Terre Haute, Indiana, he made sure to get me to take him to the Eugene V. Debs museum because of how much he admired debs. How does that make him an 80s liberal? Do please explain.
Again, my father was a socialist. He wrote a his dissertation on Shaw and the socialist aspects of one of his plays. He was British and said he was never more proud of his homeland then when he helped it usher in the National Health Service with his vote. When I moved here to Terre Haute, Indiana, he made sure to get me to take him to the Eugene V. Debs museum because of how much he admired debs. How does that make him an 80s liberal? Do please explain.
I was speaking of the word used as an identifier/label, ‘progressive’, vs ‘liberal’, and not the content of what was being said, at all. No disrespect was meant towards the comment, just a tongue-and-cheeck attempt at discussing the labels. As I mentioned before, concerning the content of your comment …
(BTW, your comment was a good read.)
When it comes to my comment discussing labels, today’s ‘liberal’ is considered a ‘centrist’ by today’s younger generations (which pisses me off to no end, but that’s another discussion for another time), and what they think of as liberal they call progressive, hence my comment.
And for the record (not trying to measure dicks here, but only because you quoted your dads history) I’m a Gen-Xer who was born/raised in the San Fernando Valley area of Los Angeles in the 70’s/80’s, a perverbial “Valley Dude”, and lived ‘in the capital of Liberalism’ the vast majority of my life. Liberalism of that day is not what Progressivism is today. I feel that I could be considered a ‘subject expert’ in a court case when it came to Liberals and Liberalism of that time.
I’m what world is this kind of pedantry useful?
I’m what world is this kind of pedantry useful?
In what world is this kind of verbal policing useful?
No need to be hostile.
Concerning your question, at the very least, my world. But I suspect most people can recognize a conversation comment about how different generations see things and identify them, for its own sake. You know, Lemmy is about conversations about subjects.
I find this insanely interesting. I hope someone does this for us Xers but I have a feeling that everyone will forget about us.
And with this, I’m also interested in the rate of change here. Are boomers dying faster, slower, steady rate?
https://incendar.com/generation_x_deathclock.php
They got you!
Fuck that website, it lists abortions as deaths LMAO
Oof, does it a least list miscarriages too? Not that we’d know the actual number
It would be very surprising if the rate was steady. Boomers are ages 59 to 77 today. The ones who have died have been on the younger side, but it won’t be long until most are within a standard deviation for average lifespan.
Also, there weren’t the same number of boomers born every year. In fact, 1946 had a spike of them, and the rate started falling off each of the last seven years or so of the range. So we started with more older boomers than younger boomers.
As an interesting side note: I have heard multiple times that Gen X is the Trumpiest and most conservative leaning generation, even more than Boomers or Silver. I find it plausible. The silver generation has old progressive labor movement diehards, and boomers have hippies. But Gen X never really had a progressive culture movement. They came of age during Reagan and Clinton.
The good news is, there isn’t many of us. Boomers and Millennials are the two biggest groups.
But yeah I already hear BS like, back in my days we roam the streets blah blah blah from folks my age.
I’d bet this site just uses something like a census base percentage, apredicted end date and a countdown clock that creates the percentage/rate.
I love how many people are going on about how one generation isn’t the cause of all our problems. I agree. Neither the post nor the website say anything good nor bad about any generation, just that it’s -mildly interesting- that boomers just hit 1/3 dead.
The young hate the old for having more than them.
The old hate the young for having more time left.
No, Boomers are hated for putting our civilization on the path to collapse.
mildly interesting- that boomers just hit 1/3 dead.
I do wonder about the accuracy of that though. It’s not like the website owner went through every death certificate ASAIK.
That’s how statistics work. You take a sample and abstract it to the population. If you required every one to be checked, then no numbers of any sort would be made up because that’s too much work.
That’s how statistics work. You take a sample and abstract it to the population. If you required every one to be checked, then no numbers of any sort would be made up because that’s too much work.
Yeah sure, I’m aware of how statistics work. I’m just not confident that they are interpreting the statistics correctly.
No other arbitrary age cohort has been so unjustly hated in American history
No other age cohort has been responsible for caring for the earth for the time they were adults and done such a horrific job. In the US, the cherry on top is also that this generation kicked everything their parents generation fought for into the dirt, including most of the social safety net, because of a bunch of dumb conservative rhetoric.
I think it is pretty fair as far as generalizations go, though of course it is a generalization. Boomers get all defensive with the “but you shouldn’t just blame a whole generation!” even though blaming millennials seems to be a major policy point for a lot of boomers… but they just don’t get it. The boomer generation will be remembered for literally thousands of years for being the generation that was adults in power when climate change was pushed into an unstoppable momentum, biodiversity catastrophically crashed, and the priceless gift of earth that has been handed down to every generation was dealt a massive amount of damage that will reverberate for again, literally thousands of years at the minimum.
Boomers think I am attacking them in an us vs. them mentality, it is unfortunately so much bigger than a petty fight between generations though. Boomers aren’t just another generation that will be largely forgotten a century or two from now, and it is a massive understatement to say the time they were stewards of the earth will not be remembered kindly by future generations.
This is precisely the thing I’ve noticed recently. You make a statement like yours and suddenly people start crying about not generalizing or how there’s really no such thing as generations and whatever other nonsense. Frankly, I don’t think that too many people over the age of 50 are on Lemmy yet so I think that there are some people who just want to be contrary taking the chance to.
It must be weird judging a whole generation based only on what you know from learning about via social media.
Wait, why do you consider learning about things initially through social media a bad thing?
Sure there is a ton of nonsense and outright lies out there, but social media is also unarguably a massive source of education for people on a dizzying array of topics. Look at how silly but genuine ADHD tiktok or instagram accounts have massively raised awareness about ADHD for the better as only one example. Look at /r/ADHD as a huge source of good information and discussion for people with ADHD as another. The existence of social media has irrevocably raised the voices of the oppressed in a way TV and newspapers aren’t really interested in doing except for the odd anomaly that gets through the filter of the rich.
sigh whatever…
Wait, why do you consider learning about things initially through social media a bad thing?
Sure there is a ton of nonsense and outright lies out there
You answered your own question.
For the record, I’m distinguishing between “Social Media” and “the Internet”. The former is for entertainment, and the latter is for learning/knowledge.
No other arbitrary age cohort has been so unjustly hated in American history
You talking about Boomers, or Gen-Xers?
Millenials would chime in on some hate I think.
Just How stupid does one have to be to think all their woes exist with only one generation? There are far bigger monsters alive today in current younger generations (many in millennial) that are far more destructive to our lives and the earth. They’ve seen more $$$ than any boomer and will laugh at you while you live out of a garbage can.
And you’d still probably be posting stupid memes like this acting completely oblivious to the burning hell around you.
They don’t vote. Boomers always vote.
So stop whining and vote! Remember: You will ALWAYS be voting for the lesser of two evils.
You will ALWAYS be voting for the lesser of two evils.
Unless you run for office yourself.
Then you’ll be the one getting called the lesser of two evils
Then you’ll be the one getting called the leader of two evils
It’s the violence inherited in the system. (And yes, that’s a Gen-X timeframe related quote (in a deep meta ironic sort of way)).
AKA, what goes around, comes around.
But still, it’s worth doing. Better to solve your own problems, versus waiting for somebody else to solve them for you.
Or write in someone you believe would actually be good at the job. Then you don’t have to vote for someone you believe to be unqualified.
It’s Lemmy. The hive mind demands sacrifices. And reason is one of the most valuable.
Click on the site so that your dumbass can see there is a clock for literally every generarion up until the Greatest
Ok boomer
K incel.
Incel? Oh no! My husband is going to be devastated by this news
K.
OK, person I just blocked.
Boomers were hated by their elders for being too liberal and hated by their youngers for being to conservative.
They got more conservative as they got older. All those hippie kids who protested Vietnam and experimented with drugs and sex ended up voting for Reagan.
I’m a Boomer. Born in 1964. I’ve gotten a lot more liberal as I’ve gotten older. Went from Libertarian to Bernie supporter.
Don’t write us all off.
Most didn’t actually do these things, most just graduated high school, pooped out some children, and got a job.
All those hippie kids who protested Vietnam and experimented with drugs and sex ended up voting for Reagan.
No, we didn’t. Also, inflation and Iranian hostage situation.
Are you saying they took what they wanted, then pulled the ladder up after them?
It sure seems like they feel that way about social security.
It sure seems like they feel that way about social security.
We paid into it, we should be able to get the benefits from it, just like any other American in any other generation.
You have 4 people, 3 liberals and 1 conservative, graduating from high school at 18, 75% are liberal. When they are in their late 30s, one of the liberals dies, so 66% are liberals. Then at age 50 another liberal dies, so the group is 50% liberal. One year after retirement (65) the last liberal dies and now the entire cohort is conservative. Without looking at the size of the population, one would think that the group of 4 slowly became more conservative over time.
Death, not persuasion, causes the political leaning of the population to shift as they get older. It is the very concerns of those that are liberal which also lead to their earlier deaths. If you are less likely to die from something that can be fixed with politics, you are more likely to be conservative and not want to rock the boat.
It turns out that the media jumped all over things like Hippies and anti-war protests. In reality, the average person was just as conservative then as they were 10 - 20 years ago.
Is this like a timer for when we can start fighting climate change?
Boomers started fighting climate change decades ago. (see Al Gore)
We got plenty of idiots in our generation too. We’re not off the hook
No, because it was never about the boomers.
Many boomers aren’t helping, though. Especially the ones in the US.
Not long ago I found out that my dad is too old to be a boomer. Apparently it’s called “the silent generation”.
