• probablyaCat
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    102 years ago

    Honestly this is an awful situation. But the reason you don’t see more harsh criticisms from world leaders (and there have been criticisms and statements calling some of what they are doing as illegal) is because the world leaders know that they may need to same option if something similar happens to them.

    Do you have a better suggestion for what Israel should do in order to respond. And saying “free Palestine” doesn’t count. They completely left Gaza and it got worse. I can’t stand Bibi, but he absolutely called it when they were planning to leave Gaza. The blockade of Gaza didn’t start until Hamas took over. And do recall Egypt is also blockading.

    If Tijuana started launching rockets and attacked thousands of civilians in California, what do think the response would look like? Or if Morocco did the same to Ceuta?

    I don’t see how this attack ends. I mean it has absolutely destroyed the chance for Gaza reps to be involved in peace talks. Not that there was much chance of that. Honestly, if I had to guess, Israel plans to wipe out all of the higher up Hamas this time in an attempt to bring Gaza back under the PA/Fatah.

    But, given the situation is what it is, how do you think the Israeli government should respond?

    • Chariotwheel
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      I mean. I agree that Hamas are fuckheads and the leaders are very safe somewhere else. They don’t care that much about the response. And of course I condemn Hamas’ killing of civilians.

      Hamas is a tumor that is not interested in lasting peace with Israel. I agree that moderate factions should be governing.

      Now, as what Israel should do. It’s not easy, I agree. Any option has drawbacks, so there is no good solution, especially at this boiling point.

      Keep up the siege, or rather lockdown athat point, but let necessities of life through. Let the Red Cross and other orgnizations help the civilians.

      The issue is, that doing this will not lessen the disdain peolle in Gaza have for Israel and become new fertile ground of hatred against Israel. Unless they kill everyone there, at which point the situation is solved. But for what price?

    • Silverseren
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      “They completely left Gaza and it got worse.”

      They left Gaza and then doubled down not only on embargoes, but also on building illegal settlements in West Bank in violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention that they are signatories to.

      • DarkGamer
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        Rewarding their mass murder of civilians by capitulating, surely that will keep them safe.

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            Incentivizing mass murder, bold move. Next time someone you love gets murdered be sure to give the murderer a gift rather than seeking punishment for them. I’m sure that will improve things and lead to a more safe and fair world.

                • @TokenBoomer@lemmy.world
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                  2 years ago

                  Conflated logic fallacy. Palestine is not Germany. They’re not asking for Poland. They just want to be left alone.

                  • DarkGamer
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                    They just want to be left alone.

                    Then they should probably return to the negotiation table to participate in the peace process willing to make concessions, and stop launching constant guerilla terrorist attacks against civilians, poking the bear. That’s the only viable way that they can be left alone. They don’t seem interested in going that route and instead seem keen on genocide against an enemy they can’t hope to defeat militarily.

                    Israel withdrew from Gaza and then the Palestinians there elected Hamas, now this happened as a result. Way to incentivize Israel to leave them alone.

              • DarkGamer
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                Your position might have been reasonable two weeks ago. Today, reconciliation with a hostile enemy who is actively murdering and kidnapping your civilians is both inappropriate and foolish.

                • @TokenBoomer@lemmy.world
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                  12 years ago

                  I’m a fool then. It’s called settler colonialism. And even if I don’t agree with the methods, who am I to judge those who are oppressed. Israel enabled Hamas. So if you don’t like what they did, blame Israel. It’s not complicated.

                  • DarkGamer
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                    So if you don’t like what they did, blame Israel. It’s not complicated.

                    “Look what you made me do!” Screamed the terrorist as he murdered old women, kidnapped innocents to be used as hostages, paraded bloodied bodies through the streets, beheaded babies, and raped civilians in front of their dead friends.

                    Yeah really compelling. What you support is vile.