Fifa has suspended Spanish FA president Luis Rubiales from all football-related activities following his conduct at the Women’s World Cup final in Sydney
Fifa has suspended Spanish FA president Luis Rubiales from all football-related activities following his conduct at the Women’s World Cup final in Sydney
Isn’t that going a little far? Not defending the guy, it’s gross and super inappropriate. But a simple kiss is hardly sexual. Basically every child ever is kissed against their will by older relatives and nobody bats an eye.
Fire the guy, ban him from football for life, but does he need to be arrested? He’s not going around groping strangers. He just apparently does gross, stupid shit when he’s excited.
Nope. It’s not going too far. You go ahead and randomly kiss a coworker or subordinate at your place of work in front of everybody to include customers. Let me know how quickly HR wants you in their office.
Yeah, because it’s assault. Not sexual.
How dense are you people
How is it not sexual if a grown man kisses a grown woman and they are not in any way related?
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Yeah, never once have my French friends grabbed me by the head by both hands and kissed me full on the lips as a greeting.
“Certain people in France do this too, so this should be universally accepted behaviour. I am really smart”
Well, let’s see how exactly it is that you feel when a man in a position of authority over you grabs you by the head and kisses you against your will. And I will have you know that neither of my children have ever been made to accept affection that they did not want because I learned from my upbringing, I didn’t just parrot it.
I was a Catholic altar boy. I assure you, I know the feeling.
Again, it’s gross and inappropriate, not sexual assault.
Except is exactly fits the legal definition of sexual assault.
For what jurisdiction? There’s not one legal definition. Every country, and every state in the US, has their own definitions.
My state, for example, defines it as (paraphrasing) unwanted contact with intimate areas for the purpose of sexual gratification or humiliation, or to intentionally harm. It’s a bit subjective and open to interpretation, but there’s no way anyone would get convicted under this statute for a short, closed-mouth celebratory kiss.
Again, it’s assault, and it’s gross and inappropriate, but it doesn’t meet all the elements of sexual assault.
Then your state has shitty laws. It’s sexual assault everywhere normal.
Why are you bringing up the US? This happened in Spain so that’s the only jurisdiction that matters
And guess what the Spanish criminal codes definition of sexual assault is? Unwanted sexual contact.
A kiss is not inherently sexual. Wtf do you people not understand.
Nice deflection attempt but nah.
U need to learn about consent bro.
No, you need better reading comprehension.
Unwanted contact = assault
Unwanted sexual contact = sexual assault
A kiss is not inherently sexual, therefore an unwanted kiss is assault, not sexual assault. Inappropriate and gross isn’t automatically sexual.
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For one, the Spanish jurisdiction, that is the one that applies to this case. Arguing that other countries have backwards laws is irrelevant to the matter at hand.
Right, show me where the Spanish criminal code explicitly defines a kiss as sexual contact.
Go ask that question to the prosecutors
https://elpais.com/deportes/futbol/2023-08-28/la-fiscalia-abre-diligencias-contra-rubiales-por-un-posible-delito-de-agresion-sexual.html
Yes it is.
It is not up to you to decide. The Spanish law is pretty clear in this respect, and a non-consensual kiss is explicitly defined as sexual assault, period. And this is a very recent law that has been widely discussed and reported in media, so there is no chance that he didn’t know the legal consequences of his acts. He simply believed that his position of power would be enough to evade the legal consequences.
Please show me where Spanish criminal code defines what constitutes a kiss.
The law doesn’t even define sexual assault beyond “unwanted sexual conduct”. And again, a kiss is not inherently sexual.
Calling this sexual assault doesn’t help anyone, and actively harms victims of actual sexual violence.
what “actively harms victims of sexual violence” is gatekeeping the definition of it, and normalising nonconsensual intimate physical acts. maybe spend some time researching the “real rape” myth, and its impact on reporting, investigation, and conviction rates.
He did not only kiss her - he also made remarks that he was gonna marry her next year in Ibiza and if I remember right something about a wedding night…
It was a sexual assault.
And btw: Kids should never be kissed against their will and it is not okay when older relatives do that. AT ALL
I bat an eye. I think it’s creepy as fuck when adults don’t respect children’s personal space