My old phone’s battery has given up the ghost. Can someone recommend a current generation smartphone, preferably Android, that strikes a good balance between usability and privacy? I’m also fine with an Android phone that’s not that great with privacy out of the box, but has good support for third party ROMs like Lineage or Copperhead. Even better if the phone’s chassis and battery can just unscrew so I can replace it myself.

I’ve looked into the Pinephone and other Linux-only phones, but I’d like to wait until the app ecosystem is more mature. At least with Android I can use the F-droid apps for privacy consciousness.

  • @nothuman
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    This is an expensive phone and it supports Google.

    • ghost_laptop
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      Yeah, I think you could say that from literally every Android phone, since all of them help Google’s monopoly, but even then it’s not like we can buy our path to a revolution… Buying anything you’re still supporting shitty companies that do oppressive stuff, what do you want me to do? In terms of security and privacy this is the best thing you can do.

      • @Echedenyan@lemmy.ml
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        “As the world is shit, everything you do is shit, so don’t try to get a minimum impact because as is shit, there is no problem to make more shit”

        • ghost_laptop
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          Lineage phones home to Google, I could say that’s supporting Google, too, right? I don’t think the world is so black and white.

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            “As Android comes from Google, everything you do with it is going to contribute to its support, so don’t try to get a minimum impact because you will be contributing to it, so there is no problem with contributing more to Google.”

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              It is the simplified version of what my teachers say when I speak about promoting FLOSS alternatives to certain services.

              To be exact, can be applied to any ethical thing as I see this sentence a lot in other forms. It is like dis-promoting the aspiration to do more ethical things and I do not accept the idea that for “implementing security and privacy” everything is valid and can be applied (again) to everything that wants to be done.

              GrapheneOS, maybe, could support other cheaper phones by not supporting certain features but adding part of the changes that are not implemented in LineageOS which do not depend of these extra features only specific of certain devices. However, it is stated that they are not being for it and it is not like people without knowledge (or possibility to get that knowledge) for it like me is going to be able to fork the OS and try easily just to get the same.

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          I never said anything like that, what I said is that any purchase you do is going to be on a company that has or has had ethically questionable practices. One could say, “Well, you should at least buy from a company that isn’t the biggest surveillance machine on earth, to fight back against such practices”, to that I answer that I would fight back (if I had the money) by buying a Pixel and using the most private and secure mobile OS by reinforcing my individual privacy and reapropiating the meaning by which that hardware was created.

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            What I set is that your proposition contributes more to Google of what one could think. The features GrapheneOS try to raise are not-so-recently but truly-recently promoted features from Google to create a walled garden around Android with their prepared and incoming integration with high-level things like SafetyNet and similar technologies that close the environment to the users in the “general Android ecosystem”.

            Maybe if the “verified boot” and their very near tech were not developed or suggested by Google and even promoted and implemented with these integrations I referenced I would have had a different opinion.

            Well, and that is without counting the price of these devices even in second hand or from where it comes.

    • NoStepOnPython
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      Can always get a Pixel 3a. Inexpensive as far as phones go and also supported by GrapheneOS. Less money to Google if you buy it secondhand if that’s your concern

        • ghost_laptop
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          Also, weren’t you banned from Lemmygrad for being a transphobic piece of shit?

          • @nothuman
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            Say that because all people on Lemmygrad are grownups, right?