Bill Gates-backed nuclear contender Terra Power aims to build dozens of UK reactors::A Bill Gates-backed clean energy player is hoping to build dozens of nuclear reactors in the UK and will compete with global rivals.

  • Flying Squid
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    62 years ago

    On the one hand, I think that’s great. We need more nuclear power to mitigate the climate disaster.

    On the other hand, I don’t trust anything Bill Gates does after he totally fucked up the U.S. education system.

    • @dag__@lemmy.world
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      32 years ago

      I’m sorry don’t you think Bush, among many others, had something to do with that as well? There are more oligarchs than just Gates. The leaders of Big Tech are so far up their own ass you don’t even realize you’ve followed them in there.

    • @Diplomjodler@feddit.de
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      -152 years ago

      So travelling wave is out and SMRs are in? Right. What both have in common is that they’re just pipe dreams. Nuclear power never was and never will be economically viable. If we could all just accept that we could get on with real solutions.

      • @Zron@lemmy.world
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        132 years ago

        The energy density of nuclear fuels is unparalleled.

        Modern reactor designs are extremely safe and stable, the only downside is the cost.

        The cost is so high because they are basically boutique projects. Having a standardized design with mass produced components would go a long way to making nuclear reactors more affordable.

        • @Diplomjodler@feddit.de
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          -42 years ago

          And just why do you think that never happened? The Soviets tried that. And how did that go? The Japanese tried to use American designs without adapting them to local conditions and that’s how we got Fukushima. A nuclear reactor is simply too complex to be built in an assembly line. And all the promises of “small modular reactors” have been nothing but pipe dreams so far. I’m not saying it’s not doable. I’m saying it won’t happen any time soon. Anyone who touts nuclear power as a solution to climate change is either delusional or not arguing in good faith.

            • @Diplomjodler@feddit.de
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              12 years ago

              And all countries that run nuclear reactors these days are completely corruption free? Just look at Fukushima and the aftermath. And that’s one of the less corrupt countries of the world.

            • @IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world
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              02 years ago

              Not at all. We’ve seen massive advancements with EVs, 300+ miles ranges for under $40k are common now. Has nuclear both gotten more capable and cheaper during its lifetime? The answer is a resounding no.

              • @Laser_Frog@sh.itjust.works
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                02 years ago

                The technology of modern reactors ,like the one in the article, is a greater advancement from early reactors that the 1900th century electric car to a modern one.

                The materials, manufacturing techniques, fuels, controls, and components are only achievable due to modern advancements.

                The latest reactors will be cheaper, more efficient, and safer. They are a necessary stopgap to overcome the transient nature of renewable energy in the UK and an important piece in ensuring energy availability and detachment from from fossil fuels.

                • @IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world
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                  02 years ago

                  Oh come on. Cheaper? Nuclear reactors frequently go way over budget and take longer than promised to build.

                  We don’t need nuclear as a stopgap, in fact, it’s not helpful to have base load at all with renewables - nuclear has to run at as close to 100% uptime as possible to make any financial sense. What do you do on windy, sunny days when renewables are generating more power than is required? You can’t switch off a nuclear plant very quickly.

                  Nuclear makes no sense any more. We need to save the cash and invest in more renewables and storage, and an upgraded power grid.

                  • @Laser_Frog@sh.itjust.works
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                    02 years ago

                    We know historic nuclear is expensive. Cost is the entire point of SMRs. Let’s not use reductionist logic to make a complex problem seem simple. It is complicated and whether SMRs succeed is still to be determined but there is good logic in the aims they have set out and I hope they succeed.

                    As for renewable, it would be wonderful if we could store energy to overcome the ebs and flows of power they currently produce, but I am not aware of any technology currently allowing this to sufficient costs and practicalities. This is where nuclear may be required

                    It doesn’t matter if you produce 400% the required energy in a year with renewables if we have to go without even a fraction of the time.

              • @Zron@lemmy.world
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                02 years ago

                All of those EV advancements were only in the passed 20 years.

                The first electric vehicle was made well over 100 years ago. Until very recently they were considered wildly expensive and impractical.

                You consider nuclear to me unnecessary and impractical because we’ve had the tech for 75 years and it’s still expensive. Yet nuclear tech is younger than EVs, and you discredit advancements because… reasons.

                Your stance confuses me.

                • @IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world
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                  02 years ago

                  Why is it confusing? One is a battery on wheels, the other is controlled nuclear fission, creating steam to drive turbines for electricity generation.

    • AggressivelyPassive
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      -202 years ago

      No matter how you think about nuclear power in general, it will not be of any substantial help against climate change.

      It’s expensive and takes forever to build. Even the optimistic projections of the vendors are well above what wind and solar deliver right now.

      Nuclear power is just a tech bro pipe dream. Nobody needs it. It’s just prestige.

      • @TenderfootGungi@lemmy.world
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        82 years ago

        The goal of several of these new companies is to build small modular plants that are cookie cutter instead of individual boutique designs. That should bring cost down substantially.

        • @IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world
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          42 years ago

          It’s the opposite. Nuclear plants were built as large as possible because that was the only way that made any kind of financial sense. SMRs are a waste of money.

          • HobbitFoot
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            02 years ago

            It might have been why in the past, but the issues right now with building new plants is getting a design through production that can survive the review process. Costs come down on the second plant because you have a design you can clone rather than developing it from scratch.

            There are already several uses by several countries in using miniature nuclear power plants. This is just an attempt to make it more available to everyone.

            • @IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world
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              02 years ago

              Nuclear has never been competitive in terms of cost against the alternatives, first coal and gas, now renewables. In fact, nuclear is only getting more expensive. I really don’t understand why you want to pay more for power than is necessary. I don’t.

        • AggressivelyPassive
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          22 years ago

          Well, then show me any viable concept. Just one. Not an “experimental protoype”. An actual concept, that is even roughly comparable in cost to currently deployed systems.