Summary
According to the Telegraph, a leaked confidential Trump peace plan delivered to President Zelenskyy has caused panic in Kyiv.
The proposal would grant the U.S. half of revenues from Ukraine’s resource extraction and licensing, effectively amounting to economic colonization.
The Telegraph noted, “Trump’s demands would amount to a higher share of Ukrainian GDP than reparations imposed on Germany at the Versailles Treaty, later whittled down at the London Conference in 1921, and by the Dawes Plan in 1924.”
Simultaneously, the plan would absolve Russia for its invasion that has caused hundreds of thousands of deaths.
I am so fucking embarrassed to be an American. Fuck this country and its “leaders”
Personally I’m disgusted to be in the same country as the people who approve of this. Makes me fucking sick.
As an American I’m not embarrassed. The whole world should have seen this coming. This country elected Trump in
2020EDIT: My mistake, Trump was elected in 2016. Americans showed you what type of time they’re on. When he lost re-election Americans tried to force his presidency. The Democrats were too weak while they had power, always trying to take the high road. If any country is still dumb enough to rely on the US for anything then they get what they get.EDIT 2: spell check
And by “high road” you mean the one paved by donor money, not the morally high road.
Yes thats the one. I wasn’t clear but you are right.
Don’t you think this attitude is the reason why you’re in this mess? Wanting a strong ruler rather than having politicians that follow the law and try to provide good government. If the Democrats were “strong” then you’d have a Democrat strongman and you’d still be in the same mess.
The Dems are weak. And it’s not because they follow the law because they don’t, just look at that NY City mayor. They follow the money, look at Pelosi. They aren’t a party for the common person but the loudest who might net them the most money. Mostly, they’re just like Republicans in the way they cling to power until their death. How many of them have died in power due to old age instead of stepping aside to let the young legislate the world they’re inheriting? They try to follow agreed upon rules, not laws, knowing the other party won’t follow those rules.
As an example, Obama had the opportunity to appoint 2 judges to the Supreme Court. Instead of appointing a judge after Scalia died he let the next president decide arrogantly thinking it would be Clinton. He also believe senator Graham when he stated that presidents shouldn’t appoint judges during election year. Everyone with a brain knew that was bullshit! You have the power to appoint judges so do it! The second SC judge he could have appointed would replace Ruth Bader Ginsburg but that also didn’t happen because she, a dem, couldn’t let go of power and retire. Instead she dies in office during Trump’s first term. That’s the term where he appoints a SC judge during an election year and Graham forgets what he said 4 years earlier.
Now where would we be now if Obama appointed 2 more judges before his term ended? Imagine what the Supreme Court would look like if Obama called Graham’s BS and RBG gave up power and retired like the old lady she was? It’s shit like this that convinces me that the Democratic Party is weak.
In a democracy you should strive for having strong people and weak politicians that do as the people want.
If you’re striving for having strongmen so you don’t have to do anything yourself, then you are being weak. And that’s why the US has gotten to be what it’s become: weak and lazy people looking for someone else to solve all of your problems. This is why Trump’s message of “vote fore me and you won’t need to vote ever again” resonates. You want someone to rule over you and figure out everything for you. This made the US ripe for a fascist takeover.
Even now you’re whining about someone else not solving your problems for you. Didn’t vote? That’s the democrats fault. To cowardly to discuss politics with your family? That’s the democrats fault.
In the end, you’re aligned with the fascists in your hatred of the opposition. It’s easier for you to sit back and complain about the opposition than to grow a spine and support the opposition regardless of what your family, peer group, or anyone else will think about for doing so.
Dude stop trying to put words in my mouth. I didn’t say any of that. I already explained why I thought the democrats were weak and it wasn’t for anything you just said. They are weak because they were trying to play by rules the other team clearly didn’t play by, they’re weak because they arrogantly thought they could keep power beyond their limit, they are weak because they stand for trends instead of standing with the people who vote for them and listening to their real problems. I can’t tell you how many times the democrats would come to my community begging for votes and making promises only to walk back on those promises and never come back until the next election promising to do it then.
I never said anything about anyone ruling over me or making decisions for me. I’ve never whined about anyone else not solving my problems. Where did you even get that? I never even mentioned discussing politics with family, which I do, so why did you just make up more shit to throw against me.
And finally you claim I’m aligned with fascist using the evidence you literally just made up. You are part of the problem. You don’t want to accept any criticism on the democrats but instead make up lies about what you claim I said or what you interpret. You don’t listen but you’ll use lies to discredit and silence me because I don’t agree with you.
Everything in that post you claimed I said or that I represent is not true. Stop making shit up.
Got to admit, other guy had me till you said this. Props, man, you have an honestly better point.
Problem is, this isn’t about strong or weak. This is about numbers. Too many people in the US are literally just hiding that they’re racist by being among like-minded bigots and not traveling, and then agreeing when wealthy assholes tell them their kids don’t need good education.
Fact is, this proved something. Something scary. Those who remember history cannot stop it from repeating if evil also remembers history, which is impossible to prevent entirely.
In other words, we have no guarantees. We never did. We’re fucking doomed, we always were. We are all going to die and there was never a goddamn thing anyone could do about it.
Apathy is the big reason for this. About 1/3 of the eligible voters didn’t bother to vote. And Trump gained support among black and hispanic voters. Ignorance and apathy were the big drivers of this. And ignorance stems from people too apathetic to learn anything.
And no, democracy is never guaranteed. Some pretty words written by slave owners over a hundred years ago was never going to guarantee democracy. It’s just paper. What makes democracy survive is people making an effort to keep it going generation after generation. American exceptionalism created a false belief that the US couldn’t be anything other than a democracy. But despite all the chest thumping about freedom and democracy from Americans, it turns out not enough people were willing to make an effort to learn who they were voting for or in many cases even to bother voting at all. That was all that was needed, but it was too much for Americans to bother doing.
There are things Americans can be doing right now, but this Canadian thinks the USA has become a nation that’s centered greed and apathy rather than a country of freedom and democracy. I’d be happy if Americans could prove me wrong by fighting back in any way they could, but it looks to me the US lacks the will to save itself.
You don’t understand. You know why 1997-2001 was a period of optimism? We thought we were finally SAFE, geopolitically-speaking.
Now - in the aftermath of 9//1, 2008 and two Trump administrations, we are convinced we will NEVER be geopolitically safe.
People do not have children if they do not have a sense (even an illusion) of geopolitical safety. When people literally have geopolitical PTSD from all this, and cannot trust ANY government, ANY corporation, ANY religion, ANY ideology, when NOTHING is viewed as a way to de-stress yourself…
We have a serious problem. Expect birth rates to start plummeting ~9 months from now, because the new quote is “history repeats, even if you remember it”.
If you have 1/3 of eligible voters not voting and loyal voters switching up on you then whose fault is that? You are blaming those voters who didn’t vote for who you wanted then to vote for. Why haven’t you looked at the party and ask why their message didn’t resonate or why they didn’t convince those people to vote for the Dems? The Democrats failed. They will continue to fail unless they figure out why they aren’t connecting to voters, what voters actually want, and how to change into something good for the people, the country, and can get votes.
You don’t understand. I don’t think there was a lack of votes. You have to lose your job to vote because your boss won’t let you get off work until after the polls close. That’s always been the case.
There is an actual cheat code built into the legal system in Georgia that almost nobody knew about; a Jim Crow law that says anyone can declare anyone else in their county ineligible to vote for any or even no reason. A law meant to be used for oppressing black people fittingly was used as a tool of oppression in last year’s election. A bunch of people each declared 32,000 people per person, across several counties - and yes the victims were mostly African-Americans - ineligible to vote. They didn’t even know WHY they were ineligible until very recently. This is literally a stolen election.
Don’t be embarrassed for the actions of poloticians. We only have the illusion of choice in the US. You can be embarrassed for the human race if you like. Cause “leaders” like this exist in the first place.
We absolutely had a choice
No. Not really. People were taught history. We have hindsight. Look around, nobody is saying Trump is anything less than a new Hitler. Nobody is saying Trump was elected fairly.
I’m going one step further. Trump did not win 2024. In Georgia, there is an old Jim Crow-era law that still exists. You can - if you live in Georgia right now - legally declare EVERYONE ELSE in your county inelligable to vote just by stating you view them as not fit to vote.
This was already used on 32,000 black people a pop by several people in Georgia in 2024, turning the tide of the election.
You didn’t choose Trump. Nobody except the people who have taken away a fundamental right of thousands of people chose him. They chose to destroy democracy to get what they want.
Evil is evil. It does not play by “No, I didn’t get elected, curses! I’ll get you next time, Gadg8eer!”. It plays by stealing what it cannot win fair and square.
Don’t side with evil, just recognize that this was not a bunch of zealots and bigots who did this. Trump literally found a fucking cheat code for election built into the system by people who are now either dead, senile or the last of their peers. The cheat code needs to be deactivated, and playing by the rules will get us nowhere.
Don’t be embarrassed for the actions of poloticians. We only have the illusion of choice in the US. You can be embarrassed for the human race if you like. Cause “leaders” like this exist in the first place.
Our people did this. I see the ignorance and stupidity on a daily basis. People are cheering this shit on. It’s disgraceful.
Living inside the same imaginary lines on a map doesn’t make them our people. The Russian government has more influence over such people than you or I.
Don’t be embarrassed for the actions of poloticians. We only have the illusion of choice in the US. You can be embarrassed for the human race if you like. Cause “leaders” like this exist in the first place.