I was gonna title this “And here I sit so patiently waiting to find out what price you have to pay to get out of going through all these things twice” and then write “Stuck inside of America with the fascism blues again” here, but I’m not sure if that comes off like gloating and that’s honestly the last thing I want to do this morning.

  • @alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
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    1017 months ago

    Swinging left wouldn’t have worked either.

    It absolutely would have. Progressive policy is insanely popular and easy to campaign on by virtue of being designed to help everyone. Do you think Bernie had such high favorably ratings because they have a thing for 80 year old white dudes?

    Tell people “healthcare will be free” or “We will cap rent and build housing that won’t cost more than 3x local median income” and then people can’t afford not to vote for you.

    Biden could have cut off arms to Israel, and hundreds of thousands of students so politically activated they’re willing to risk their degrees to protest would be doing everything in their power to keep Trump out.

    Instead they sent the police to kick the shit out of those kids, at great expense to the colleges, and called them antisemitic.

    • @yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de
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      47 months ago

      Why then do countries with existing left parties and proportional representation elect further and further right-wing parties in Europe?

      It’s simple: They promise easy solutions for complicated problems. Banning immigration will fix all crime and the economy, opposing LGBTQ+ rights will ensure a return of the better olden days, climate change is nothing to be worried about etc etc

      And even people depending on social support will gladly shoot themselves in their feet if it means someone else will have it worse.

      • @PugJesus@lemmy.world
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        67 months ago

        Why then do countries with existing left parties and proportional representation elect further and further right-wing parties in Europe?

        Obviously they haven’t gone far left enough. /s

        Some people want easy solutions. Not unlike Trump voters.

    • @surewhynotlem@lemmy.world
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      It’s easy to get students to protest. They’re young, it’s exciting.

      Voting isn’t loud or angry, so it doesn’t feel effective. It feels like actual work. And so they skip it.

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        367 months ago

        I’m sorry, forgive me if I don’t take advice from the party that just lost. After Kamala picked Walz she was up by more than 5 points in many states that she was trailing in at the end of her campaign. People skip voting when you pick unpopular policies like Praise the Cheney’s, No Different than Zionist Joe, Billionaire Mark Cuban Is the Greatest, and Hollywood Loves Me.

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          247 months ago

          Yup, other than picking Walz each new thing the campaign did made me less excited aboit voting for Harris. I would have rather had Walz lead the ticket, at least he would have been an unknown white guy that the right wing propaganda would have had trouble vilifying.

          • John Richard
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            167 months ago

            I don’t think the white guy thing is as important as at least he would have been someone that wasn’t directly tied to the White House that has been lying about genocide for the last year, or apartheid for the last 4 years.

            • snooggums
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              27 months ago

              You underestimate the racism and sexism of rhe general population.

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                OK, but the people who are that racist and sexist are voting republican anyway. Of the dems many mistakes, running a black woman wasn’t one of them.

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                  47 months ago

                  OK, but the people who are that racist and sexist are voting republican anyway

                  No, plenty of them vote Democrat too, because the majority of the country is racist and sexist, even if it is just subconscious.

                  I’m not saying running a black woman was a mistake, just that a white man has an advantage because the population tends to favor white men.

              • @gAlienLifeform@lemmy.worldOP
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                I don’t think you’re wrong but I also have to add that I won’t accept that we just can’t run black women for offices for that reason

                e; I should have read this thread further, it looks like other people are already discussing this

                • snooggums
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                  27 months ago

                  I am NOT implying that Dems shouldn’t run black women.

              • John Richard
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                17 months ago

                I’m not pretending racism and sexism doesn’t exist, but that didn’t cause her to lose. I hope one day you’ll come to accept that.