This might just sound like the same old shit others voice with the recent gaza genocide, but ive hated israel for far longer. In high school i read a book called the olive grove, its based on a true story of a Palestinian family that lost every thing to the zionist movement. It follows 3 generation of the family from the first world war till after the second. It tells of the horrors they faced by the us backed terrorists taking their home and land turning away from the atrocities being committed. Its heart breaking, and when i read it in 2009 i didnt fully understand but seeing all the shit done now, i just think this cycle of hate started and can not be stopped.

Idk what else to say, i mean i could go on and on but i dont have the mental capacity to do so while drinking. I recommend others to read the book, it was a very good read when i was a high schooler and i plan to start it again as soon as i can find my copy.

Here is a link to the book if anyone is interested in reading it https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2327988.The_Olive_Grove

  • Tiger Jerusalem
    30•1 year ago

    Since we’re talking about hot takes, here’s mine. The Nazis are the most reviled because Hitler did the “unthinkable”: he tried to colonize the colonizers by claiming to be whiter than the whites. So, the atrocities committed by nazis are somehow way more inexcusable than the ones committed by the British over “brown people”. They ran concentration camps too, but since the victims were black, people doesn’t seem too bothered by it.

    And don’t get me started about slavery, where people were grabbed and treated like animals, packed in ships as packages, and forced to work in their own concentration camps for the white guys.

    What the Nazis did was horrible, but let’s not pretend they’re the only evil ones. Israel is just as bad, the difference being they’re doing it over brown people which makes it somehow more acceptable on the eyes of the world.

    • Hyperreality
      -1•1 year ago

      Most Israelis are now ‘brown’ people of Arab or North African descent. They’re also the group that is most likely to support (far-) right parties.

      • Tiger Jerusalem
        2•1 year ago

        I’d like some source on that because the rise of the far right on the EU and USA says otherwise.

        • Hyperreality
          2•1 year ago

          No problem.

          On most Israelis being of Middle-Eastern or North African descent:

          Mizrahi Jews constitute one of the largest Jewish ethnic divisions among Israeli Jews. Mizrahi Jews are descended from Jews in the Middle East, North Africa and Central Asia and parts of the Caucasus, who had lived for many generations under Muslim rule during the Middle Ages. The vast majority of them left the Muslim-majority countries during the Arab–Israeli conflict, in what is known as the Jewish exodus from Arab and Muslim countries. … As of 2005, 61% of Israeli Jews were of full or partial Mizrahi ancestry

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizrahi_Jews_in_Israel

          Bit of a tangent, but this is partly why Israel’s security services are/were so feared in the middle-east. They simply employed ‘Arab’/Mizrahi Jews, who were indistinguishable from other Arabs and often knew the culture.

          On Mizrahi Jews being more likely to support (far-) right parties:

          Why the right-wing Mizrahi vote is misunderstood in Israel … Israeli Jews from the Middle East and North Africa vote en masse for Likud and its right-wing allies, despite being told it’s against their interests.

          https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-why-right-wing-mizrahi-vote-misunderstood

          ‘In Some Respects, Mizrahi Identity in Israel Is Dominant … Most of the cabinet ministers are Mizrahim, most of the mayors are Mizrahim, …

          https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-05-19/ty-article-magazine/.highlight/in-some-respects-mizrahi-identity-in-israel-is-dominant-and-ashkenazim-face-inequality/00000188-2f95-d914-af8c-afb5a0fb0000

          If you want you can look up (recent) Israeli cabinet ministers on wikipedia, you’ll often find they have Middle-Eastern or North African ancestry. Often these are some of the most right-wing politicians. For example:

          May Golan … is an Israeli politician and activist … In 2023, a group of former Israeli ambassadors said they were “shocked” by the appointment of Golan as Israel’s new women’s advancement minister, saying that “Golan’s appointment is outrageous as she is a racist and divisive figure … She is the child of a single Orthodox Jewish mother … from Iraq … Golan was known for a number of inflammatory statements she made about African asylum seekers in Israel, referring to them as rapists and infiltrators who would spread HIV among the Israeli population. Golan says “If I am racist for wanting to defend my country and for wanting to protect my basic rights and security, then I’m a proud racist”

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_Golan

          Itamar Ben-Gvir … is an Israeli lawyer and far-right extremist… who has served as the Minister of National Security since 2022 … His father was born in Jerusalem to Iraqi Jewish immigrants. He worked at a gasoline company and dabbled in writing. His mother was a Kurdish Jewish immigrant … has faced charges of hate speech against Arabs and was known to have a portrait in his living room of Israeli-American mass murderer and Jewish extremist Baruch Goldstein, who massacred 29 Palestinian Muslim worshipers and wounded 125 others in Hebron … Ben-Gvir took part in the clashes between Israeli Jewish settlers and the local Palestinian residents, brandishing a gun, telling the police to shoot at Palestinians throwing stones at the scene, and yelling at them that “We’re the landlords here, remember that, I am your landlord.” This was a message that was later repeated by him in a tweet on the morning after the 2022 election in his victory tweet.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_Ben-Gvir