I’m talking about what they say at 8:20:
Bulletin boards, forums, blogs. The main difference to today was twofold:
For one there were no algorithms fighting to keep you online at any cost – at some point you were done with the internet for the day, as mind blowing as this may sound.
But more importantly: The old internet was very fractured, split into thousands of different communities, like small villages gathering around shared beliefs and interests.
These villages were separated from each other by digital rivers or mountains. These communities worked because they mirrored real life much more than social media:
Each village had its own culture and set of rules. Maybe one community was into rough humour and soft moderation, another had strict rules and banned easily.
If you didn’t play by the village rules, you would be banned – or you could just go and move to another village that suited you better.
So instead of all of us gathering in one place, overwhelming our brains at a townsquare that in the end just leads to us going insane, one solution to achieve less social sorting may be extremely simple:
go back to smaller online communities.
Or just forums.
Yeah there’s not much that the Fediverse adds to the equation that a forum wouldn’t handle. It’s actually worse in a lot of ways, because on a forum you’re not going to have seven different subforums dedicated to the same topics, like the federation does by having 200 servers each with generally similar and redundant subcommunities. Sports is a big example I use, because it’s the most evident.
One of the most popular moderation moves on this platform has been to lock these excess communities and forward them to a central one that is actually active.
There’s some growing pains, but within a federated system, I think there needs to be community aggregation at a certain point. There’s no need to host 50 different identical communities, and it’s arguable that it makes things worse. I’m hoping that someone will eventually be able to develope the tools to easily allow for community aggregation in the future.
Isn’t it kinda the opposite? A fediverse is not multiple separate isolated villages, it’s a bunch of villages all bundled up together in one place within walking distance.
kinda. but compared to e. g. Twitter its much more splinteted. Twitter is more like one giant city. also your seeing mostly what Twitter decides. mastodon shows you what you subscribed to. things are less viral.
You can put twitters feed to following only and it’s kinda the same thing tbh. I don’t think Mastodon did anything to fix the core issue from the video, you’re still bombarded with opinions from people you don’t have much in common with. Whether it’s millions of people on twitter or thousands on Mastodon, it’s still more than what our stupid brain is able it process IMHO.
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The villages being meaningfully separate spaces is more pertinent than how far apart they are. I’m on the instance that I’m on because of communities it federates with I’m interested in participating in. I moved instances to achieve this.
Maybe they’re soft launching on the fediverse 😄
Would love to see it. An explanation video on how the fediverse works, put out by Kurzgesagt, would be so helpful
Yeah but there’s literally nothing the Fediverse does better than a PHBB forum.
I actually hate the interconnected yet fragmented environment here - there’s absurd amounts of redundancies in communities, resulting in dead spaces; you don’t need 20 different federated servers all with their variations of the same communities, for example sports teams - you have fanaticus.social which is literally specifically for sports, but then every single local instance like midwest.social or lemmy.ca will have duplicate or even triplicate communities. This does nothing but make the whole platform seem big and empty and bereft of users or interactions.
I think once a community gets popular, the duplicates die away or act as backups when an instance goes down. That’s generally a good thing because instances have disappeared overnight, and Lemmy is still in development
We had a movies&tv instance that was popular, and then it disappeared overnight so the smaller local instances took over till we got a new popular one
!moviesandtv@lemm.ee for people wondering
I remember there being at least 3 separate popular forums just for the Dodge neon.
It’s pretty bad for small communities. A new factorio update drops and we have a thread on beehaw, lemmy and kbin gaming communities. Meanwhile the actual factorio community (on either of these servers) also gets a thread but it’s mostly empty.
For some communities this makes sense but I feel like it just kills any smaller ones, they just never get a chance to take off properly.
It doesn’t help that the fediverse search is just atrocious.
Yeah. In my opinion lemmy is just one layer to deep for the federated concept. Everybody should host their own subreddit and not their own reddit.
That’s partilly more on the people creating duplicates without looking if the community doesn’t exist already.
Granted, the lemmy explorer tool might not be around for too long for people to be easily able to - since someone on you instance needs to known a community exists on other instance and access it for everyone to see it. And some people might just not be aware of it as well.
Are you talking about https://lemmyverse.net/ ? Why should it disappear?
What I meant is I have no idea how long it exists, so people might not have the luxury of using it to check for existing communities.
Didn’t mean to start a panic with bad wording :)
I see. Hopefully it will stay around, or an equivalent will emerge :)
I do too! Its incredibly handy
I think we’ll collectively figure it out with time and have more specific, yet popular instances, rather than instances trying to be the all-places with communities. Like an instance for memes where communities act as sub-categories or something.
But I maybe wrong, I’m not on oracle or something.
All of these things still exist. Theres just massive cities now, and they’re shitty like cities in real life.
If they were talking about anything specific, as hard to believe as it is, there is actually another community based website out there slightly larger than lemmy that allows you to subscribe to your interests and unsubscribe from others.
Facebook?
Reddit
What’s reddit?
No one knows
Weird ass name
Reddit or my username???
Unfortunetly for most people “go back to smaller online communities” would probably mean going from XTwitter to a Facebook group…
I learned a lot, and made a lot of IRL friends, on various message boards over the years. ADVrider.com used to be a lot of fun but I haven’t checked it out lately. One thing that was cool was looking for vehicle-specific forums, like a forum for EX-500’s or F150’s. These forums were great for keeping whatever car you have running, and were full of knowledge on the problems found in specific cars. A lot of them still exist.
The similarly named AVSForum is still a great resource full of insanely knowledgeable A/V nerds. The 3si forum is still the place to check if you happen to be into Mitsubishi 3000GTs or Dodge Stealths.
I miss my little crew at MarcSeal.com/forum, a small guitar community. I don’t like to brag about my accomplishments, but let’s just say I was a moderator.
Well… for example, I said “maybe you don’t need to drag yourself through literally every bit of shitty irrelevant news, if it is stressing you out to the point of reduced quality of life” earlier - and was promptly informed there was no need to be “an uninformed idiot”. So I dunno, seems pretty friendly to me.
You can do the former without being the later, fuck that person
Kurzgesagt Is becoming a conspiracy channel. As someone who experienced the era of Bulletin boards, forums, blogs. Kurzgesagt Got the information wrong. Yes, there was small communitys like current fediverse, kbin is such an example where Lemmy world is much bigger. Yet, nothing is bad about it.
Rules exist for a reason Kurzgesagt, always have been. They themselves should know how toxic people can become.
I recommend everyone to stop watching Kurzgesagt. Tell people to stop Kurzgesagt crazy thinking and tell Kurzgesagt how wrong they are.
What are you even talking about? I feel like I got 0 useful actionable information from your comment, just a vague sense of dread. What rules are they breaking? What specifically is wrong with this video?
Kurzgesagt is saying internet is bad. However, the research they source is telling people that the internet is just being misused and governments aren’t doing anything to protect everyone. The other research says humans will stay in what they believe because of their social network. Kurzgesagt Will never mention it.
Anything to substantiate this? What specifically do you have an issue with?
The source clearly outlined that people will stay within their community because they believe in their choice. Yet, Kurzgesagt makes no mention of it. The other source is from news papers mentioning social media platforms and impact on people. Looking into the research tells you everything else. The data was collected in certain areas but should not be used as evidence for all of the internet. Things like video, music and outside activities take time and just claiming to only look at past twitter or only older people of Facebook isn’t going to get enough context in internet problems. Kurzgesagt Will never mention the research because the research is saying they want more data.
I stopped watching them when they did their climate change video, which was such a corporate greenwashing feelgood bullshit video that I just couldn’t justify it anymore.
