• @ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca
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    So the article explains that official tournaments use a unique words list that contains a lot of generous words like “zzz” and “aa”. Mostly intended to allow high scoring words for people who studied their list.

    The company that maintains the list has added a lot more of these “not a real word but it scores high so we added it” words.

    For some highlight words from the article: MIREPOIXS, HORSEFEATHERSES, SUBSPECIESES, GRATINEEED

    Players are complaining that high level tournaments are basically going to be competitions for who knows the most gibberish from the tournament word list and it is alienating the general population from joining tournaments and scrabble clubs.

        • @kakes@sh.itjust.works
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          I mean, their job is to provide definitions for the words people use in language, not to gatekeep what words are “good enough” to be defined.

          I hear each of the words you’ve listed all the time, they’re part of our language whether we like it or not.

          • My point was more about which dictionary do you use and less about the exact words added. Webster added them, but Oxford and American Heritage didn’t.

              • @kakes@sh.itjust.works
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                Now I want to play a game of scrabble where you play a complete nonsense word, and your points are the number of Google results for that word - lowest points wins. And maybe you have 5 letters instead of 7.

        • @Sanctus@lemmy.world
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          I would rather be able to spell out bussin’ for points than zzzz, aaa, or Mieropoix. At least it is a word people actually use in conversation.

        • @merc@sh.itjust.works
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          Modern dictionaries are descriptive not prescriptive. They don’t tell you how things should be spelled, or what meaning they should have. Instead, they report how things are spelled and what people think they mean in the real world.

          • @Ookami38@sh.itjust.works
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            That’s the point of it, though. People use “literally” as "figuratively, and it should be recorded as such. It doesn’t matter that it’s facetious or ironic, it’s still used that way commonly.

    • @merc@sh.itjust.works
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      Words in scrabble should be things that people actually use outside scrabble. It’s fair if that makes some leeway for slang. It’s also fair if it means that some really obscure words that nobody really uses get in. But, this seems over the line because they’re taking words that nobody uses, and tacking on un-grammatical endings.

      • sab
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        I mean, compared to some of those other ones it’s perfectly cromulent. At least it means something.

  • @deegeese@sopuli.xyz
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    2 years ago

    I’m fine with adding slightly offensive words like ‘twat’ and ‘redneck’, but fake plurals like ‘feceses’ and ‘rouxes’ are absurd rules-lawyering.

  • Dizzy Devil Ducky
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    122 years ago

    I vote games like scrabble don’t use made up words just because they can give you big points. In that case why not just allow your players to place down all their letters in any random order and call it legal? It scores more points, so why not, Big Scrabble?

    Also, I’m also personally against the use of made up slang words that started appearing around the 2010s and are now in common use, or at least were in common use.

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      I think the point is rather that all words are made up. For the record you have my vote as well. I don’t want nonsense words to be a part of the game, especially at tournament level.

    • @Hylactor@sopuli.xyz
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      I’ve considered when a word is no longer “made up”.

      There’s always some enlightened centrist claptrap about “all words being made up”, which I think even they know is pedantic and not really a solution.

      Then you have the Websters who intentionally annoint words prematurely, I’m certain for marketings sake. Every year they get some free press about adding surprising words. I don’t really know who buys dictionaries on a regular basis, but someone must, so they must want to appear modern and get some free advertising while they’re at it. In Short, you have early adopters who want to appear hip, and that seems wrong, too.

      Finally you have the hard-ass who doesn’t want anything new added. In my experience these people just get off on gatekeeping and pearl clutching. They don’t think that slang is worthy and they want to be part of the ingroup who decides which words are “real”. In these peoples opinion, if they’re being consistent, words like “legit” shouldn’t be a word, it’s just slang for legitimate. So that seems wrong.

      I think the only answer is perhaps time. I feel like a word needs to live as long as the average person before becoming “official” (whatever that means). Like, who knows if in 79 years “bussin” will still be a usable word. But then again, useable by whom? If the issue with slang is that it’s too new and therefor only understood by a narrow group of people, can’t the same complaint can be applied to highbrow difficult words that are only understood by the overeducated? Or technical words in niche areas of understanding? Can you really say that more people can define metempsychosis, or kentledge, than can define edgelord, or doggo?

      But even my time argument fails. Because what’s the harm in adding words? We aren’t bound by any space limitations or something. We don’t run out of “word slots” and once they’re all used we’re stuck forever.

      Long story short, I don’t know what the answer is. But I do know that horsefeatherses isn’t a word.

  • XbSuper
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    112 years ago

    Well, my opinion that scrabble is one of the worst games ever made is now solidified.

  • @alienanimals@lemmy.world
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    102 years ago

    Scrabble is dumb because it’s all about memorizing high scoring words from a list. As I recall, the guy who won the French Scrabble championships never even knew how to speak French.

  • @DeadlineX@lemm.ee
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    62 years ago

    Some of these additions are just silliness. That said, I could barely make it through the article, as it kept just randomly starting a new sentence halfway through a thought.

    It also referenced somebody, but then didn’t finish the sentence before moving on to talk about someone else. I have been annoyed by all the “this article was written by an ai” comments I’ve been seeing lately. Having read this article I see what people mean.